Black Ipa's

[DJR]

Dragging up an old thread....

Was having a look at beer styles to try out and this looks interesting. Anyway what do ppl think of this recipe beow? Might be a bit much to do a 10min one? Does it need flameout hops or should i smash it through the hoprocket with NZ cascade? From the read of it a single 10 min addition should do it?

I am not sure about cold steeping the carafa special either, will probably just add it to the mash


Recipe: 10min Black IPA
Brewer: DJR
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Black IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 22.0 l
Post Boil Volume: 17.0 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 17.0 l
Bottling Volume: 15.5 l
Estimated OG: 1.068 SG
Estimated Color: 49.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 57.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
8.00 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent 1 -
3.65 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 2 76.0 %
0.50 kg Munich (Best) (15.0 EBC) Grain 3 10.4 %
0.40 kg Carared (Weyermann) (47.3 EBC) Grain 4 8.3 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special III (Wey) - coldsteep (92 Grain 5 5.2 %
3.00 g Brewbrite (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 6 -
56.0 g Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 22.4 IBUs
56.0 g Summit [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 34.9 IBUs
1.0 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 9 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 4.80 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 14.4 l of water at 72.3 C 66.7 C 60 min
Mash OUt Add 4.8 l of water at 94.3 C 73.0 C 40 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 8.1l) of 75.6 C water
Notes:
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[rcsoccer]

Dragging up an old thread....

Was having a look at beer styles to try out and this looks interesting. Anyway what do ppl think of this recipe beow? Might be a bit much to do a 10min one? Does it need flameout hops or should i smash it through the hoprocket with NZ cascade? From the read of it a single 10 min addition should do it?

I am not sure about cold steeping the carafa special either, will probably just add it to the mash


Recipe: 10min Black IPA
Brewer: DJR
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Black IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 22.0 l
Post Boil Volume: 17.0 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 17.0 l
Bottling Volume: 15.5 l
Estimated OG: 1.068 SG
Estimated Color: 49.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 57.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
8.00 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent 1 -
3.65 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 2 76.0 %
0.50 kg Munich (Best) (15.0 EBC) Grain 3 10.4 %
0.40 kg Carared (Weyermann) (47.3 EBC) Grain 4 8.3 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special III (Wey) - coldsteep (92 Grain 5 5.2 %
3.00 g Brewbrite (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 6 -
56.0 g Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 22.4 IBUs
56.0 g Summit [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 34.9 IBUs
1.0 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 9 -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 4.80 kg
----------------------------
Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 14.4 l of water at 72.3 C 66.7 C 60 min
Mash OUt Add 4.8 l of water at 94.3 C 73.0 C 40 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 8.1l) of 75.6 C water
Notes:
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Just throw all the grains in the mash. Don't worry about cold steeping the roasted grains. I've brewed a 10 min Pale Ale before and people thought I was crazy, but it was delicious. Some people think that you don't get the right hop compound isomerization when you only do a 10 minutes boil, but I think one can do whatever they want when it comes to homebrew. I would add a little more hops to the boil (maybe at 5 mins left) to get a lot more aroma. The darker roasted grains are going to mask a lot of the citrusy flavor from the Amarillo. And, maybe throw in 1/2 kg of Roasted barley. I don't think that is enough of the Carafa II for a true Black IPA. Although, I have had a few dozen of them in the states and they range from no roast flavor to stout-like roast flavor. I've actually had one before that just tasted like an American IPA, but it was black in color.

Anyway, good luck.

 

[katzke]

Black IPS's are just that, a black IPA. The color is there only for looks. My wife liked the taste of late addition better then cold steeped. I think when you cold steep the grain starts to sour. I could not realy tell any difference, however she did. So I do a late addition at mash out or even flaim out and add a bit, check color, and so on till I get the color I want. I BIAB so the grain gets pulled as soon as the color is correct.

If you want to brew a Cascadia Dark Ale then go for the roasted grains.

Two totaly different beers. Not even sure if BJCP has adopded a standard yet. Last I heard the true Black IPA was on the loosing end of the fight.

Wife likes hoppy beers, so I have no comment on a 10 minute IPA. Has to have lots of hops and late additions as well as dry hopping.

 

[chunckious]

I don't think that the darkness is only for looks in a BIPA.
My favorite is Pot Kettle Black - Yeastie Boys and it has a whack of Roasted Barley in it. Almost a stout cross IPA.
The base I use to get in the ball park is: -
77% Pale Malt
8% Melanoidin
5% Crystal 120
4% Pale Choc
3% Black Patent
3% Roasted Barley

Best of luck mate :beer:

 

[katzke]

I don't think that the darkness is only for looks in a BIPA.

The classic definition of a BIPA is a parlor trick. The black messes with your brain and you get the taste you want.

A Cascadian Dark Ale (fixed the spelling) is a hoppy porter if you wish to define it as such.

The 2 get confused. No dark roasty malt in a BIPA. Dark roasty malt is what you want in a Cascadian Dark Ale.

Just like the bars that put green food dye in beer for Saint Pattys day. It is not a Mint flavored beer. Just junk with food dye in it.

 

[dent]

Do you have an example of this classic definition?

 

[Tilt]

If you're looking for a Pot Kettle Black recipe then Stu McKinlay, one half of the Yeastie Boys, published a couple of iterations of the recipe on the NZ RealBeer forum a while back. It goes something like this:

Yeastie Boys "Pot Kettle Black" American Porter
79% Maris Otter
10% Munich II
4.5% Crystal 55L
3% Pale Chocolate
2% Chocolate
1.5% Black Patent

67c mash. 60min boil to around 1.060 - and a massive US Cascade-fest to about 55ibu (dry hopped with them too). US-05.

and the 2010 remix recipe:

PKB Remix 2010 (US Mix)
Malt:
56.3% Pale Malt(2-row)
25.0% Munich II
12.5% Crystal 90
3.7% Pale Chocolate Malt
2.5% Black Patent Malt

Hops:
n.ng/L Nugget 13.0%aa 60 min. (enough to hit 60ibu)
1.6g/L Cascade (US) 5.75%aa 30 min.
1.5g/L Cascade (US) 5.75%aa 15 min.
3.0g/L Cascade (US) 5.75%aa 0 min.
0.5g/L Cascade (US) 5.75%aa Dry hop warm (after krausen)
0.5g/L Cascade (US) 5.75%aa Dry hop warm (after krausen + 4days)

Yeast:
US Ale

They're both rippers!!

 

[Nick JD]

E150c.

 

[manticle]

The classic definition of a BIPA is a parlor trick. The black messes with your brain and you get the taste you want.

A Cascadian Dark Ale (fixed the spelling) is a hoppy porter if you wish to define it as such.

The 2 get confused. No dark roasty malt in a BIPA. Dark roasty malt is what you want in a Cascadian Dark Ale.

Just like the bars that put green food dye in beer for Saint Pattys day. It is not a Mint flavored beer. Just junk with food dye in it.

So it's a show pony beer then?

Like Heston Blumenthal but less interesting. How can we make the beer that every single microbrewery is doing different?

LET'S MAKE IT DARKER!!!

I've had many a nice BIPA/BIA but they would have been just as nice without the black. Lot of kerfuffle about not very much at all.

I've been drinking Carlton Arse at a work function so forgive any grumpiness.

 

[Nick JD]

I have done a few White IPAs (~3 SRM).

Is that racist?

 

[chunckious]

I blame Nick JD for bringing this thread into disrepute.

 

[Nick JD]

I blame Nick JD for bringing this thread into disrepute.

Gee Dubbya IPA in opposition to Ross's Obama IPA.