Biab Bling Ideas

[ant]

*snip*...If everyone was like you guys, not only would we brew better beer but we would have no world wars...

Brewers - making the world a safer place... reminds me of those old Oakley ads "AHB - thermonuclear protection".

Peace, love and brewing
Ant


*sigh* I miss beers in Freo.

 

[AndrewQLD]

So have no fear Andrew, the BIAB thread hasn't changed. I can see how a casual glance at the thread may have lead you to believe that things were going astray but they are not. For example, the only person who even mentioned a built-in probe thermometer was recently and he was immediately advised against it.

I'm glad to hear that the initial concept is still intact, and I still believe it is a great way to start All grain brewing.

To get this thread back on track Pat, here is a link posted by Doc in another thread Docs link, This should be all the bling bling you need :lol:

Cheers
Andrew

 

[user 384]

Most Importantly I could find this thread dissapointing and discouraging and in some ways I do. It's now totally off-topic; it has been somewhat personally insulting; it's had illogical and misleading information put forward; it has defintely for the new guy cast way too many seeds of doubt and that is a real disservice to new brewers.

Are you serious!

Do you really think Jayse et al telling people it's just as easy to build a mash tun is illogical and misleading?

Do you really think it's a disservice to suggest to new brewers that using one pot and a mash tun is just as simple as using one pot and a bag?

Do you really feel insulted because some people said why not just build a mash tun?

as in nature, we see seeds of doubt being cast and unfortunately these require a lot of work to subdue. People assume that the good harvest will win without effort but it doesn't work that way. Just the same as cancer in the human body will win if unchallenged and sometimes even when it isn't. Good things often require concentrated attention. Good to see that there are a few troops who can do that.

Good on you for having passion for your chosen method of brewing, but I think you've headed down the path of fanaticism.

Cheers
MAH

 

[Zizzle]

Good on you for having passion for your chosen method of brewing, but I think you've headed down the path of fanaticism.

FWIW, I agree with MAH.

I learnt BIAB directly from the man himself. I moved from BIAB to having bought an already setup mash tun. Not three vessels, just boiler & mash tun. With the tun I did the first run off into fermenter method mentioned.

Not easier or harder than BIAB, just different. No fiddling with lifting & squeezing a hot dripping bag (and I had a custom brew frame with sky hook). But instead lifting a tun with wort & grain from the floor to a table to allow run off (much easier IMHO). No syphoning, just pouring hot wort from the fermeter into the kettle (aware of HSA, just not scared of it until I taste it). And I do think cleaning out a tun is easier than cleaning out a bag.

I was happier with the beers that came out of the mash tun and continue to be.

I still think BIAB is a good & cheap way to get started with AG brewing and would do it again and recomment it to others. And sure, maybe some guys can make exceptional beers with BIAB, but I can't do it and I expect most other newbies can't either.

Making BIAB out to be flawless, so much easier & so much better than traditional methods does come across as irrational and fanatical, and does put people off and do the method a disservice. It has it's strength (up front cost), bit is shouldn't be promoted as flawless and all things to all people.

There will always people who think this (and worse), but it's should not be seen as a slight or personal insult against those who use and promote the BIAB method. Seeds of doubt are good. Nothing is flawless, people should have to think and evaluate for themselves.

At the end of the day I think everyone here will agree that having more people AG brewing is good thing, no matter what method they use. Just don't try and jam your favourite method down our throats. Sideways. With a mallet.

 

[tangent]

i'd love to hear from someone who's tried: 10xAG brews with bucket-in-bucket, 10xBIAB and 10x esky mashtun.
I still think my drilling technique and mayo bucket procurement skills, are better than my sewing technique and cake stand procurement skills.

 

[weizenhiemer]

Good on you for having passion for your chosen method of brewing, but I think you've headed down the path of fanaticism.

Cheers
MAH

Yeah, Its time to move on to the next level.Throw that bag in the bin and start making beer the AGE old traditional way,instead of trying to convince others that you have revolutionised brewing.

Your method deserves to be recognised as an esoteric cult form of brewing, but it's far from being a major revolution.Looking for bling to enhance it is a shallow attempt to make it fashionable and ultimately attracts the derision that you seem to find so offensive.

Show me how you can step mash or pull a decoction with BIAB and you may on the way to convincing me and others that its worth a go.

W.H.

 

[kook]

Show me how you can step mash or pull a decoction with BIAB and you may on the way to convincing me and others that its worth a go.

W.H.

I'm not a BIAB'er, but I can see that step mashes are very straightforward using the system. As it's a directly heated tun you simply turn the burner and stir till you reach your next step.

Decoction is another issue though. It's possible, but to pull a thick portion of the mash you'd need to use a strainer of some form.

Personally my concerns are more around the lack of flexibility of liquor/grist ratios, and the fact that it's quite ineffective to produce high gravity beers. Plus having fun with things like partigyle brewing seems a lot more difficult.

 

[Steve]

I reckon this thread is well n truly hijacked for the BIABers. Why cant the past 20, 30 or whatever posts be discussed in the BIAB thread. Why cant you all leave this thread to the BIABers to discuss the ideas of the title of the thread. Each to their own I say. If they're making beer and they're enjoying it rather than going to spend 30 odd bucks on a case of VB good on em.
Cheers
Steve

 

[weizenhiemer]

I'm not a BIAB'er, but I can see that step mashes are very straightforward using the system. As it's a directly heated tun you simply turn the burner and stir till you reach your next step.

Ya reckon??.Stirring with a bag in the way would be a PITA..."imHo"

 

[Stuster]

start making beer the AGE old traditional way,instead of trying to convince others that you have revolutionised brewing.

Good to see someone keeping to the old ways. What sort of wood do you ferment in? Do you use a magic stick for the gods to bless the beer, or are you one of those new-fangled yeast people? I trust you are sticking with the right stuff, the gruit rather than that 'hop' stuff which causes sleepiness and impotence you know.

I'm with Steve. I'm not a BIABer, but it seems people are happy with it. Let's try to be constructive.

 

[tangent]

shall we start a mash tun users register/church?

 

[weizenhiemer]

Good to see someone keeping to the old ways. Do you use a magic stick for the gods to bless the beer,

Godisgoode!.........K.M.A

 

[poppa joe]

I put BLING in my Plastic Boiler.......
A S/S CAKE STAND>>>>>>>
PJ

 

[Thirsty Boy]

Yeah, Its time to move on to the next level.Throw that bag in the bin and start making beer the AGE old traditional way,instead of trying to convince others that you have revolutionised brewing.

Your method deserves to be recognised as an esoteric cult form of brewing, but it's far from being a major revolution.Looking for bling to enhance it is a shallow attempt to make it fashionable and ultimately attracts the derision that you seem to find so offensive.

Show me how you can step mash or pull a decoction with BIAB and you may on the way to convincing me and others that its worth a go.

W.H.

Strange, you seem to find it odd that people would find derision from you or anyone else offensive.. surely thats the whole point of derision? I can only assume that you also intend your statements to be derisive, and I am dutifully offended.

So to return the favour, here's some for you..

Of all the things that have been said about BIAB in this thread yours is about the easiest, weakest and saddest. Its the logic of Luddites and 6 year olds. And if thats the best you can do for a contribution to either side of an argument, I feel truly sorry for you.

Oh and by the way, I have step mashed every BIAB I have brewed, I have done a decoction, I have incorporated a sour mash, I have incorporated a cereal mash and on my latest batch I mash hopped and did a no-boil brew (berliner weiss)

So not only is your contribution to the argument pathetic... you are also just plain wrong.

Your nick is very appropriate, its pretty much a synonym for smart-arse; and indeed you are.

Thirsty

 

[Thirsty Boy]

Enough of people with nothing real to contribute, and on to people who's opinions and criticisms are actually worth their bandwidth.

Tangent - It would be great to get the 10 of each from someone. I'm on my way on the BIAB front and well there on the eski front... dont know if I can bring myself to go the drilled bucket route, but one of these days I will probably have a run at a false bottom and fly sparge set-up. Just so I know what its all about.

Kook - Your summation of why stepping isn't hard is spot on. And of course you are right about the L:G ratios being essentially fixed. And you couldn't do Partigyle could you?? And I want to give that a shot as well, guess I'll be doing that brew on my 3 vessel system.

Decoctions are actually easier when you have the bag. You just grab one edge of it and pull it up, effectively shortening it and raising the grains to the top of the tun and even out of the liquid, then you scoop it out. I had to add liquid back.

I've brewed 2 truly high gravity BIABs and 1 stout that was a little on the stronger side. There was no issue at all with producing the beers. The efficiency dropped a little, but we are talking back from 80%+ to mid 70's (pre-boil) Not as good, but still well in the acceptable range of efficiencies a homebrewer could expect.
Cant vouch for the quality though.. the high grav beers are ageing and I wont be trying them for a good six months at least, and the stout hasn't even had a chance to carb up yet. I'm hoping to do a few more strong BIABs, because I want to test out the theory that long term stability might be an issue due to increased particulate in the kettle. Unfortunately... the results will have to be worth waiting for.

Zizzle - Thank god you posted. You might feel almost exactly the opposite way about the issue than I do, but at least you are a voice who actually has some real hands on experience to add to the argument... actually, if it was being had with you, it wouldn't be an argument; it would just be a discussion.

Thirsty

 

[browndog]

Jeez, these BIAB threads are starting to remind me of another forum that was full of negativity. I'd like to offer a bit of advice to the knockers and the negative posters ruining these threads. If you are offended by the idea of BIAB or the enthusiasm of the people using it then don't get involved in the threads It is as simple as not clicking on the thread when you see it. I've never seen a thread about mash tun brewing where a BIABer has jumped in and told everyone that their system is better, so I would like to recommend you leave them alone they don't deserve this crap. If you want to &^%& someone off, then go outside and kick the dog, hopefully you will get bitten for your efforts.


Cheers

Browndog

Oh, and here's some bling fellas, it is a basket made out of termimesh type stainless. It is about 450mm high by 300 wide. I made it to put plugs and flowers in during the boil.

 

[Steve]

Jeez, these BIAB threads are starting to remind me of another forum that was full of negativity. I'd like to offer a bit of advice to the knockers and the negative posters ruining these threads. If you are offended by the idea of BIAB or the enthusiasm of the people using it then don't get involved in the threads It is as simple as not clicking on the thread when you see it. I've never seen a thread about mash tun brewing where a BIABer has jumped in and told everyone that their system is better, so I would like to recommend you leave them alone they don't deserve this crap. If you want to &^%& someone off, then go outside and kick the dog, hopefully you will get bitten for your efforts.
Cheers

Browndog

Oh, and here's some bling fellas, it is a basket made out of termimesh type stainless. It is about 450mm high by 300 wide. I made it to put plugs and flowers in during the boil.

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here. here totally agree.
Cheers
Steve

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Jeez, these BIAB threads are starting to remind me of another forum that was full of negativity. I'd like to offer a bit of advice to the knockers and the negative posters ruining these threads. If you are offended by the idea of BIAB or the enthusiasm of the people using it then don't get involved in the threads It is as simple as not clicking on the thread when you see it. I've never seen a thread about mash tun brewing where a BIABer has jumped in and told everyone that their system is better, so I would like to recommend you leave them alone they don't deserve this crap. If you want to &^%& someone off, then go outside and kick the dog, hopefully you will get bitten for your efforts.
Cheers

Browndog

Oh, and here's some bling fellas, it is a basket made out of termimesh type stainless. It is about 450mm high by 300 wide. I made it to put plugs and flowers in during the boil.

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[Online Brewing Supplies]

Dam if only I could find the right button to push to reply to posts I would be a happy man.Any way I agree with the moderate people on this forum live and let live.We all have differing opions and thats the way it should be.But in the words of Kamal "How can people be so unkind".Lets not lose any more lateral or non lateral thinkers.Brew and be happy you can brew.Remember some one taught you.
Signed :a Lateral thinking "traditional" brewer.

 

[user 1153]

Hey PP,

I think you are as strange as all buggery, but I don't think you deserved the flaming you are getting in this thread.

The thread title says it all with BIAB sitting in there. If you aren't into BIAB then don't join in the convo I reckon.

(I'm not a BIABer but I had to say I support your decision to BIAB and the fun you were obviously trying to get out of this thread, which has now been body slammed.)