Making BIAB out to be flawless, so much easier & so much better than traditional methods does come across as irrational and fanatical, and does put people off and do the method a disservice. It has it's strength (up front cost), bit is shouldn't be promoted as flawless and all things to all people.
Just don't try and jam your favourite method down our throats. Sideways. With a mallet.
Since my, 'last post,' it is only last night and tonight that I have had a chance to answer PM's and emails. No one seriously thought that my last post in the BIAB thread was actually my last post and it looks as though they were right! What a serious affront to my credibility!
Seriously though, have a think on the following because this
is my last post. After this, what more is there to say?
In the PM's and emails I have finally had a chance to send, the one theme was that my only regret about retiring from AHB was not responding to Zizzle's disgraceful comments above. So here's my last post which is slightly less full of grace than what I will always think of as my real last post which can be found somewhere in the BIAB thread.
Zizzle - Your post is an absolute disgrace. You brewed 6 BIABs electrically and I thought that the one I tasted was excellent. You complained in the BIAB thread about soapy flavours in your beer and long-term viability which I and others have not found or have actually proven the opposite. Several times, you have brought up the former when advantageous and each time, I have, and others have offered advice or asked questions to which you never responded.
This fact alone proves that open minds are existent but yours isn't one of them.
Now, you run a thread on automation - the anithesis of BIAB and TOTALLY unproven. Is it that that motivates your post that I have quoted or is your post fall-out from the night that you got horribly drunk and whined about Iraq and thought subsequently and irrationally that anyone who diagreed with you hated you?
I think a read through the BIAB thread will not answer that question but it will answer EVERY other slur that rednecks have made here.
You say, 'irrational and fanatical,' about one of the most rational and calm threads on AHB. It's a thread full of 'gentle' and/or enthusiastic brewing explorers. I have been the biggest contributor there in post counts I think, so if I withdraw, as I am doing, will you call all those other top brewers fanatical and irrational?
These are the same brewers who have consistently in that thread asked and welcomed criticism. I myself have gone out of my way to do side by side brews not with the aim of proving BIAB right or wrong but with an investigative viewpoint. Just ask the guys I've side-by-side brewed with.
Did you mention that Zizzle?
And the fact that I am still willing to do so?
Oh! And how could I forget that old PistolPatch wrote, 'A Guide to Mashing and Batch'-Sparging,' about 6 months after I had dis-continued traditional brewing? That guide was written in my usual passionate style. But you and the other negative contributors here forgot that contribution didn't you? That one should be air-locked as many of the questions I answer off-forum end up referring to that guide and it might balance up the fact that, until recently, the BIAB Guide was the only air-locked thread in that forum.
So, which one of you mash tun guys will ask for my other guide to be air-locked? It should be shouldn't it? Certainly nothing wrong with the way it is written...
But, would PP help a traditional brewer? And be passionate about doing so? Not according to you Zizzle and your redneck cohorts though I do it almost daily.
Can you or anyone else find a post that ever said that BIAB was 'flawless and so much better than traditional brewing?'
Such posts simply don't exist.
The BIAB thread has involved the most unpretentious group of brewers that you will ever meet - both traditional and now non-traditional. They are a quiet bunch of blokes who don't blow their own trumpet. They are just simple explorers that really have no attachment apart from brewing a nice beer.
I see myself as one of them but you rednecks do not - hence I retire. I doubt that you will knock, face on, any other BIAB brewer - after all, they are all just nice solid brewers.
Zizzle, for you and others to make references to fanaticism and cults is the most shameful thing I have EVER seen on AHB.
Anyone that makes statements like that on AHB (such as Aaron's above) should be totally discredited. People should stand up against guys like you but, who can in this case, unless they have read the whole BIAB thread? This is one of the reasons why there are summaries in the BIAB thread. Find another thread on this forum that has been as well laid out. There isn't one. That's the only fanatical side of BIAB you will ever see and that is due to me not BIAB or it's brewers.
While that is certainly not all I have to say, this IS my last post on AHB but I look forward to communicating with the great thinkers on this forum via email and I'll do my best to still contribute here via less public means such as the Wiki in all areas of brewing whether that be cleaning, BIAB or traditonal.
Spot ya to the good guys,
Pat
P.S. If you like my rambles, email me and I'll send you one now and then.
P.P.S. One last thought, No-Chill and anything similiar puts AHB up there as a world-first forum. When rednecks criticise without any basis of fact a new idea, they are not only hurting the brewing community, they are hurting Dane who started this forum. So, next time you want to say something non-factual, perhaps you should think about who it affects or at least donate some money - grrrrrrr.
