Australian Standard Lager

[chappo1970]

Ok my Dad's 65th Birthday is looming up in June and we are having a bit of a family bash at Chappo Manor. Anyway he has been super keen for us to brew an Aussie Lager. Anyway this is what I have come up with. Any comments, suggestions, no no's and critiques would be welcome as always. :icon_cheers:

Recipe: Aussie Lager
Brewer: Trent Chapman
Asst Brewer: DeeJay the Dog
Style: Standard American Lager
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 38.00 L
Boil Size: 47.85 L
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 7.0 EBC
Estimated IBU: 20.4 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
7.80 kg Pilsner (3.9 EBC) Grain 91.23 %
0.30 kg Cara-Pils (3.9 EBC) Grain 3.51 %
35.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00 %] (60 min) Hops 20.4 IBU
20.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
0.45 kg Dextrose (0.0 EBC) Sugar 5.26 %
2 Pkgs SafLager West European Lager (DCL Yeast #S-023 Yeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 8.10 kg
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Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 21.14 L of water at 74.5 C 64.0 C

Cheers Guys

 

[Adamt]

Mash around 64 (70 is way too high!) and make sure you use some fresh PoR flowers and it should be lovely!

 

[chappo1970]

Thanks Adam for picking up the temp Beersmith seems to keep doing that on me ATM. <_<

Fresh Flowers all the way or pellets for boil and flowers for aroma and flavour?

 

[Thirsty Boy]

I'd leave the carapils out - in my opinion it adds nothing but body... which is being taken away by the dextrose.

A couple of % wheat if you are looking for foam.

mash for dryness as Adam says

Otherwise, nice.

 

[Darren]

I will disagree with Adam and Thirsty Boy on this occasion,

Mash of 70 is fine. You want an Aussie Ale add a kilo of SUCROSE (yes sucrose) to the boil.
Prime with dextrose if you have to.

cheers

Darren

 

[dpadden]

I thought it was an aussie lager ....

 

[dj1984]

I always thought 70 was for sweeter full body beers and a lower mash for dry pilsner lager beers, but what would i know im an noobie too all grain.

 

[chappo1970]

Darren,
I have read that adding sucrose would tend to give a syrupy, almost belgium accent, which was what I wanted to avoid?

 

[Screwtop]

I agree with Darren......shudder........but yes, mashing for body at 70C would be fine if balanced out by say 10% sucrose. This would give a low FG but hold up the body a bit. And Chappo if your old man is a QLD'er then bitter with nugget and cluster.

Sugar is not only for Belgian Ales. Historically Aussie ales and lagers have been brewed using sucrose.

Made a similar thing for no.2 Son's workmates once. All pils mashed at 68C with 10% sugar, bittered at 60min with 20IBU of a 50/50 mix of Cluster and Nugget and fermented using S-189 @ 12C. XXXX drinkers tipped it into their heads and thought it was great.

Cheers,

Screwy

 

[NickB]

Sounds like a plan... Was only thinking today that I would like an Ozzy Lager on tap...was thinking more along the lines of Cascade Light though.... so around 20IBU, bitter with POR, late addition of Hersbrucker (not much though!), S-189 and a nice cool ferment.....

Cheers

 

[mje1980]

Im planning a rice lager next, and im thinking of also mashing high, so it doesnt end up way too thin. Let us know what you do, and how it turns out.

Cheers

 

[Supra-Jim]

Fresh Flowers all the way or pellets for boil and flowers for aroma and flavour?

Pellets for your 60mins and fresh flowers for your flameout addition.

:icon_cheers: SJ

 

[reviled]

Pellets for your 60mins and fresh flowers for your flameout addition.

:icon_cheers: SJ

:icon_drool2: man I gotta get me some fresh flowers!

 

[chappo1970]

Thanks guys for all your great and insightful input as always, I'm truly very appreciative indeed. I'm gunna ummm and arggh <pulling hair out icon> over the valid points made and post the final recipe up tonight.

I agree with Darren......shudder........

Screwy your souls gunna burn in hell you know? :lol:


Thanks guys!

 

[Fourstar]

Hey Chappo, Another option is to do it with rice as an adjunct instead of Dex or surcose.

75% Pils
5% Carapils
20% Rice

Mash around 67 for 70 (extend it slightly for the rice conversion) Mashout and sparge.

This is an anwesome beer to knock out as an ale if you need a quick beer for the swill drinkers. I personally do it with NB'er to 25 IBU. The 5% Carapils adds a good amount of foam (i can never notice much sweetness at those levels like Thirsty said)

+1 for the Cluster/Nugget hopping to get the XXXX Character.

Cheers!

 

[chappo1970]

...20% Rice

Mash around 67 for 70 (extend it slightly for the rice conversion) Mashout and sparge.
...

Fourstar what does the rice add over dex/sucrose? I'm serious I have never used rice so I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Ross]

Fourstar what does the rice add over dex/sucrose? I'm serious I have never used rice so I'm genuinely interested.

Chappo, the current Aussie pale in the shop you've tasted contains 20% maize. Maize gives the beer a nice rounded flavour, rice on the other hand really accentuates the hops & gives the beer a sharper edge.

Edit: Sugar basically gives alcohol & little else


cheers Ross

 

[chappo1970]

Thanks guys for all your inputs. We've decided to employ the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principal with this one as it our first AG lager. I really want to give the rice ago so maybe for the second one. And Ross I love your Aussie Pale so I do get your point.
So I have an Aussie Lager that is a single malt single hop and no where to hide if I stuff it up.

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 41.00 L
Boil Size: 51.36 L
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 6.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 21.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 kg Pilsner (3.9 EBC) Grain 89.89 %
40.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00 %] (60 min) Hops 21.5 IBU
35.00 gm Pride of Ringwood (Flowers) [9.00 %] (0 mHops -
0.90 kg Cane Sugar (0.0 EBC) Sugar 10.11 %
2 Pkgs SafLager West European Lager (DCL Yeast #SYeast-Lager


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body
Total Grain Weight: 8.00 kg
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Single Infusion, Full Body
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 20.86 L of water at 77.0 C 70.0 C
10 min Mash Out Add 8.35 L of water at 91.5 C 75.6 C

Will report how it goes.

Edit: Gramamamamar

 

[warrenlw63]

rice on the other hand really accentuates the hops & gives the beer a sharper edge.

Sorry it had that result for you Ross. Once upon a time I would have agreed that corn was the superior "body lightener" but having used flaked rice for my last few lawnmower type beers I appreciate the nice smooth, almost vanilla-like dimension it can add.

To me it could only be seen as "sharper" if the hopping rates weren't lowered accordingly.

Warren -

 

[T.D.]

Sorry it had that result for you Ross. Once upon a time I would have agreed that corn was the superior "body lightener" but having used flaked rice for my last few lawnmower type beers I appreciate the nice smooth, almost vanilla-like dimension it can add.

To me it could only be seen as "sharper" if the hopping rates weren't lowered accordingly.

Warren -

I can attest to Warren's findings here - I recently tried his Galaxy ale, made with a good whack of rice in the grist. I think it is probably the perfect corn or sugar alternative. It seems to have the same broad effect, but without the undesirable flavours that these adjuncts often give.

Whenever I have tasted a beer made with maize it reminds me of American megaswill. Doesn't matter what style its in, it always seems to have that undertone.