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barls

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tried to get in touch with anyone from the aabc but the contact details havent been updated since 2009 also the nsw rep hasnt been heard from for two years.
when is the aabc going to step up and recognise the meads and cider categories in their styles and open the for judging.
its bad enough that they dont want to go by bjcp guidelines for most styles, which are recognised internationally.
anyone here one of the state members and want to shed some light on this??
 
Maybe try and contact someone on the WA state comps board as this year is the first we are able to enter meads and cider. Don't know of any other states offering so maybe they are bucking the system.
 
we had meads and ciders but they arent recognised. which is annoying as i beat the best beer. probably will end up whinging in person at the nationals.
 
Do we have the critical mass of qualified judges to give meads a fair go?
 
theres only one way that going to get fixed now isnt it. ie give them a go.
 
Yep. Girls drink 14% mead while us tough blokes sit back with a macho mild.

Maybe it would happen if state comps followed the castle lead. I know vicbrew doesn't judge these - presumably they are concerned there won' t be enough entries but these beverages are gaining popularity and it would encourage people to do more than aldi juice + yeast.
 
mate we had some categories of what they specified that had 2 or 3 entries where as we had 8 meads and about the same ciders.
 
It seems a shame these are not being wholistically recognised. I mainly brew for home, and only bottle occasionally,(over volume for kegs) I had nothing bottled at the time of entry for comps this year it was all kegged. Having said that I would have enter any brews (beer or cider) if I'd had them on hand, just so I could get feed back, which I believe is why most of us enter. I'm certainly no guru, I know what I like, I know what I don't like, in some brews I find hints that I don't like, are they yeast related? ferment related? water? mashing? Without unbiased knowledgeable comment, it is left for me to continue to plunder about. My ciders are the most popular brew I do( leaves the beer for me so I can't complain too much) but could it be better?

I just cracked a choc choc stout(two weeks in the bottle , young but has promise) that was bottle only as a special, might have to save a few for Xmas Lotto
 
I hear you Barls. I have a mead going at the moment that would be nice to put up next year.

What about 100% Brett fermented beers too. They don't fit quite the traditional sour styles and its a shame new age sours don't have there own style.

The aabc should really open up and push the guidelines to stay In focus with the scope of new age brewing.
 
Nothing against meads and ciders, and ginger beer for that matter as I brew all of them, but why should the AABC follow the AHA/BJCP guidelines and categories?
This is Australia, why can't we get behind our own set of guidelines and judging criteria, make it our own and promote it as our own.
 
I agree totally Andrew but it would be nice if we could enter our meads, ciders and the like in an all encompassing comp.

Some times I think things are staying put while brewers keep digging up old and new ground that arnt related to the guidelines.
 
Would you get away with entering it as a "honey beer" within 18.7 until meads and ciders are recognised?


18.7 Other Specialty [BJCP]
This is explicitly a catch-all category for any beer that does not fit
into an existing style category. No beer is ever “out of style” in this
category, unless it fits elsewhere.
The category is intended for any type of beer, including the
following techniques or ingredients:
Unusual techniques (e.g., steinbier, ice beers)
Unusual fermentables (e.g., maple syrup, honey, molasses,
sorghum)
Unusual adjuncts (e.g., oats, rye, buckwheat, potatoes)
Combinations of other style categories (e.g., India Brown Ale,
fruit-and-spice beers, smoked spiced beers)
Out-of-style variations of existing styles (e.g., low alcohol versions
of other styles, extra-hoppy beers, “imperial” strength beers)
Historical, traditional or indigenous beers (e.g., Louvain
Peetermann, Sahti, vatted Porter with Brettanomyces, Colonial
Spruce or Juniper beers, Kvass, Grätzer)
American-style interpretations of European styles (e.g., hoppier,
stronger, or ale versions of lagers) or other variants of traditional
styles
Clones of specific commercial beers that aren’t good
representations of existing styles
Any experimental beer that a brewer creates, including any beer
that simply does not evaluate well against existing style definitions
This category can also be used as an “incubator” for any minor
world beer style (other than Belgians) for which there is currently
no AABA category. If sufficient interest exists, some of these
minor styles might be promoted to full styles in the future. Some
styles that fall into this grouping include:
Honey Beers (not Braggots) Wiess (cloudy, young Kölsch)
Sticke Altbier Münster Altbier
Imperial Porter Classic American Cream Ale
Czech Dark Lager English Pale Mild
Scottish 90/- American Stock Ale
English Strong Ale Non-alcoholic “Beer”
Kellerbier Malt Liquor
 
Point taken Brad. But mead is hardly a beer though.

How is a beer judged in the specialist category? And would mead be classified as a beer entering in this category?
 
Beersuit said:
Point taken Brad. But mead is hardly a beer though.

How is a beer judged in the specialist category? And would mead be classified as a beer entering in this category?
Any experimental beer that a brewer creates, including any beer
that simply does not evaluate well against existing style definitions
This category can also be used as an “incubator” for any minor
world beer style (other than Belgians) for which there is currently
no AABA category. If sufficient interest exists, some of these
minor styles might be promoted to full styles in the future.


So if they get a few meads into that category, things may change.

Yes I agree with you guys, mead is not beer but was just trying to get around the current guidelines. I think the biggest barrier would be that the guys with the most experience in meads are needed to judge at all levels and these are more than likely going to be the same people that want to enter them. I don't think they would be fairly judged, but I could be way off the mark and yes I have no idea what a good mead should taste like.

The other argument could be that if someone holds a BJCP qual they should be able to judge every category?

Cheers

Edit. If you were to enter it into this category, you could whack a style guideline descriptor on the bottle so the judges have something to judge the "beer" with, but that may be a bit cheeky.
 
Jeezh, the specialities were bombed with all sorts of infected stuff last time I had the pleasure of helping with vicbrew. Do you really want to be entering meads and ciders in the infected category!!!
 
practicalfool said:
Jeezh, the specialities were bombed with all sorts of infected stuff last time I had the pleasure of helping with vicbrew. Do you really want to be entering meads and ciders in the infected category!!!
Could be a welcome relief for the judges.
 
bradsbrew said:
Any experimental beer that a brewer creates, including any beer
that simply does not evaluate well against existing style definitions
This category can also be used as an “incubator” for any minor
world beer style (other than Belgians) for which there is currently
no AABA category. If sufficient interest exists, some of these
minor styles might be promoted to full styles in the future.


So if they get a few meads into that category, things may change.

Yes I agree with you guys, mead is not beer but was just trying to get around the current guidelines. I think the biggest barrier would be that the guys with the most experience in meads are needed to judge at all levels and these are more than likely going to be the same people that want to enter them. I don't think they would be fairly judged, but I could be way off the mark and yes I have no idea what a good mead should taste like.

The other argument could be that if someone holds a BJCP qual they should be able to judge every category?

Cheers
the problem is you have to specify what beer style is based on. this doesnt work for meads and ciders.
ive entered a ginger beer in this category and had to specify a base beer the closest was blonde and i got a score of 25 as it wasnt even close to a blonde in the base.
if i entered my mead in speciality it wouldnt have come anywhere near the 84.5 points it scored, it probably would of scored 30 and got comments like add malt to it
as for building our own styles 99% of them read exactly the same. why not embrace whats already there.
by the way when is the aabc going to come up with a scheme for qualifying judges or are we just going to keep using the bjcp scheme?
which i might add is recognised internationally.
 
For what it's worth there are two vicbrew members on my brewclub committe. I can bring it up at the next meeting and hopefully yhey can bring it up at theirs to see if we can include them in vicbrew. I believe if state comps step up, so will aabc. Might all take a while but good to get the ball rolling.
 
by the looks of it two already hav but if we can get a few more good for the cause.
cheers mate.
 

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