WTF! Is going on in Sydney?

[spog]

Its apparent from the press conference held by the NSW premier and the NSW police chief that there is battle waging between the Commonwealth and the state of NSW for ownership of the incident and the spin being put on it.

NSW premier reiterated over and over again that NSW police had the matter in hand, and the police chief said there was no need for offered federal resources.

The take out, is that NSW govt doesn't want to fall prey to the Fed Govt's political agenda.

I believe that once,in a situation like this, if a statement of,or threat of terrorism is made it is handed over to the SAS to deal with.

 

[Airgead]

I hope this incident today doesn't bring the rednecks slithering out from their hiding places and cause trouble.

Apparently someone in the crowd went on an anti islamic rant. Fortunately everyone else watching told him to piss off and stop being a dick. There is hope for us.

 

[Feldon]

I believe that once,in a situation like this, if a statement of,or threat of terrorism is made it is handed over to the SAS to deal with.

Fed agencies/resources can't get involved unless the state (NSW) signs off indemnity - SAS carry live rounds (always)

 

[Airgead]

SAS carry live rounds (always)

Yeah... but so does every cop on the beat.

You might be thinking of the UK where cops aren't armed.

 

[Feldon]

Yeah... but so does every cop on the beat.

You might be thinking of the UK where cops aren't armed.

Difference between soldiering and policing.

Soldiers are primarily trained to kill the enemy. Police to apprehend the suspect.

For fed troops to be deployed and put into action they must first be indemnified by the state (NSW in this case) against legal prosecution if they, for example, kill hostages, bystanders in their move against the enemy.

 

[madpierre06]

Amounts to the same thing.

if we treat it as we would any other situation with armed people in a cafe taking hostages, we deny terrorists the publicity they crave. Treat it like its a local police matter (which it is). resolve it. Arrest them. put them in jail.

Making it into a worldwide security incident (Indian PM just made a statement FFS) gives them exactly what they want. And encourages more. We have just shown every disgruntled idiot out there that all they need to do is wave a flag and we make them an instant worldwide jihadist celebrity. Well done.

Treat it like an armed robbery, arrest them and cart their sorry arse off to jail for 10+ years of showertime sodomy and its a whole lot less attractive a proposition.

But where's the ratings and network/talking head publicity in that? Straight out of the Frontline playbook.

 

[barls]

Fed agencies/resources can't get involved unless the state (NSW) signs off indemnity - SAS carry live rounds (always)

it won't be sas. it will be another military group but they are trained for this sort of situation.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

SAS are trained for hostage situations, more so than any other force be it army or police, but only the powers that be will know the truth of the situation and the decision will be up to them.

 

[Feldon]

it won't be sas. it will be another military group but they are trained for this sort of situation.

It isn't any Fed Govt force. At the moment its entirely a NSW police operation. I suspect the Fed Govt is putting great pressure on NSW to hand over the operation.

Wouldn't be surprised if army bods aren't stationed nearby out of sight but ready to be deployed if things change.

 

[Blind Dog]

Don't know about the SAS, or indeed a great deal about what is going on about 1/2km away, but I do know that my building was closed to all visitors today including couriers / Aus Post and I'm waiting for 300g of hops that were dispatched on Thursday. Still one more day of careful handling in transit wont do them any harm, will it?

(not meaning in anyway to trivialise what is a very serious situation for anyone affected)

 

[2much2spend]

Don't know about the SAS, or indeed a great deal about what is going on about 1/2km away, but I do know that my building was closed to all visitors today including couriers / Aus Post and I'm waiting for 300g of hops that were dispatched on Thursday. Still one more day of careful handling in transit wont do them any harm, will it?

(not meaning in anyway to trivialise what is a very serious situation for anyone affected)

let the hops be free!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JDW81]

I believe that once,in a situation like this, if a statement of,or threat of terrorism is made it is handed over to the SAS to deal with.

I suspect the NSW special operations coppers are highly capable of dealing with such a hostage situation. Those lads are exceptionally well trained and are more than capable of handling themselves should push come to shove.

There may well be military involvement at a higher level at this stage, but I doubt they would bring in any of the ADF special operations teams unless they were dealing with a very large, violent and multi-front threat, which it doesn't seem to be at this stage.

Hopefully everyone gets out in one piece without any shots being fired.

JD

 

[technobabble66]

it won't be sas. it will be another military group but they are trained for this sort of situation.

In Victoria it's (Vic Pol) SOG guys who'd handle this type of scenario, I believe. NSW Police should have the equivalent.

+1 to less hysteria, more appropriate response.
Otherwise it's simply feeding the monster.
Do the various hysterical dicks (public, politicians, or media) not realize they are doing *exactly* what those terrorist groups want?
Not wanting to trivialize a terrible situation, but it's slightly similar to how you'd respond to a child throwing a tantrum - doing what they want (publicity, hysteria and polarization) simply reinforces the terrible behaviour.

 

[2much2spend]

Nar, vicpol would just beat the crowd up and shoot the captors and wound the hostages then say " it's a success!"

 

[Black Devil Dog]

The only ones who have genuine reason for being hysterical and understandably so, are the hostages, their families and loved ones. Also those of the Police.

But then of course there are the hysterical posters on AHB who are saying that everyone should stop being hysterical about it.

Seems that everyone else is quite rational.

Hopefully there is a peaceful outcome and all hostages are released unharmed.

 

[spog]

In Victoria it's (Vic Pol) SOG guys who'd handle this type of scenario, I believe. NSW Police should have the equivalent.
+1 to less hysteria, more appropriate response.
Otherwise it's simply feeding the monster.
Do the various hysterical dicks (public, politicians, or media) not realize they are doing *exactly* what those terrorist groups want?
Not wanting to trivialize a terrible situation, but it's slightly similar to how you'd respond to a child throwing a tantrum - doing what they want (publicity, hysteria and polarization) simply reinforces the terrible behaviour.

"Feeding the monster" ,too late for my liking,Chanel 7 relayed here from Adelaide has an extended news tonight and they have already had a story about the danger to Adelaide., informing the public is one thing but FFS.
No I'm not watching it,I can hear it in the background,such talk annoys me,but here's hoping it ends well and the prick involved gets life in prison.

 

[Bribie G]

Live feed

 

[2much2spend]

Yes the ' panic' ( hysteria) is stupid! I've been flicking stations all day to see the same pic replayed over and over!

 

[Batz]

Sometimes it's best to turn the TV off and wait until tomorrow morning to see how things have panned out. I believe we are being told very little atm, and I also believe the police and others will have this covered. Good luck guys!

 

[hotmelt]

The Premier told you what was going on.
"We are being tested today"
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