Williamswarn Personal Brewery

[spog]

Pubs / hotels get their beers cold crashed, filtered bright, kegged and gassed. Setting serving pressures isn't rocket appliances.

Umm before or after the kegs have been bounced all over the place by a forklift,then bunged on the back of an unrefridgerated truck for a long long road trip ?
Rockets don't have appliances other wise the toast would float away .

 

[Elz]

Cool calm and collected here. Up against it from the majority on this site. All for innovation in the Homebrew field,whatever the endeavour.sick of neigh sayers,
Cheers Elz

 

[Beersuit]

https://youtu.be/wAIe9QtRKlc

 

[Elz]

As an assistant manager at the Whitehorse hotel and blackburn hotel (and catering manager at various venues) handling beer required a certain level of knowledge. Cleanliness and rotation was key. FIFO plus freshness, tap and sell. use within a couple of weeks, fresh is best. Still holds true in my opinion.
Cheers
Elz

 

[rude]

Bites tounge.... ? Germans make the braumeister, which kinda works for some on this forum. Plus there is no harm in highlighting an engineering advantage to the homebrewer. Albiet to those with views stuck in the past decade!!! Lift our eyes to the hills
Cheers
Elz

Lots of crew coping the Brau

Lots of crew coping the WW pressure fermenting

Both a lot cheaper options

Dont think we are against the inguinity ITS just the cost the cost the cost

Do you get it is the cost

 

[manticle]

Can we please keep the discussion civil and relevant?

Will need to start pruning if people can't be respectful. Don't want a ww, don't buy one.

 

[Blind Dog]

Kinda outlined that the robobrew is a good adjunct to the WW. (Ps thats all grain)

Not sure if that was a response to my comment or not. if so, I wasn't knocking the WW per se, just saying that it's designed as a fermentor/dispenser and from their own advertising aimed squarely at extract brewing. I'm perfectly well aware that the robobrew is all grain. In my personal circumstances, the WW could only ever be a fermentor as I'd always want at least 4 beers on tap. So it would replace a $25 fermentor. Your money, your choice, and I'm honestly happy you're happy with it. As you're seemingly pushing its benefits, I'm merely pointing out that I don't see any for me.

Hope that clears that up. Hope you continue to enjoy your WW for many years to come.

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

I don't own a car, but if I did I would aspire to aTesla rather then a Kia (kinda like a future not based on old technology)

For the record electric motors are older technology than reciprocating fossil fuel engines.

Carry on.

 

[Mozz]

My only interest in this is from a business perspective. Saw the video on the WW a few years ago and was just thinking the other day those blokes probably went broke putting their life savings into that concept. Shows what the F do I know.

 

[Siborg]

Wow, this is still going.
I think the main thing here is the cost. Even if I had the $7k, I wouldn't buy one of these. They're not that innovative or useful. Spending that much money to save a couple of days fermenting and drink it sooner....no thanks. I'd rather drop my fictional $7k on a couple of SS fermenters, brew more and have more variety on tap. The money for a pressurised fermenter just isn't worth it IMO. If I had millions to play with and I didn't care about blowing my money on expensive toys....I might buy one (along with expensive guitars, cars and electronics).

Elz, I am curious as to your choice of wort making equipment. You clearly have spared no expense in the fermentation side of things for what is arguably a minimal gain, yet you've gone for the cheapest automated brewery on the market (as far as I know). Not knocking the robobrew at all - I have one and it makes great wort. But a grainfather or a brau would make the job so much easier and, some may argue, may make slightly better wort (emphasis: may). If small gains in efficiency and quality at high financial costs matter to you, then a top of the line braumeister should have been your obvious choice.

 

[Bribie G]

I don't own a car, but if I did I would aspire to aTesla rather then a Kia (kinda like a future not based on old technology)

A Tesla runs mostly on coal, where do you think most electricity still comes from? A thousand Teslas in Melbourne get home, get plugged in, and they shovel more brown coal into the furnaces in the Latrobe Valley. You've simply transferred the pollution from Collins Street to the poor bogans who have to live at Morwell.

And before anyone says you can specify renewable energy, that's a scam like so called free range eggs and how most UK ales claim to be made from Maris Otter.
Of course you can always cover your roof with panels and get a Tesla Power Wall but that will cost you the same as a Kia anyway.

I'm waiting for hoverboards to come in, myself.

 

[roger mellie]

WTF!

Is this penis envy war debate still going - I thought we won yonks ago.

C'mon Straya - the real reason you hate the WW sooooo much is because they is from Nuuu Zuuuulund. Innit.

RM

 

[Yob]

C'mon Straya - the real reason you hate the WW sooooo much is because they is from Nuuu Zuuuulund. Innit.

We've got your number right here Jimmy

 

[roger mellie]

So very apt that your team is wearing yellow.

RM

 

[GrumpyPaul]

and yours a colour that resembles pooh

 

[barls]

final warning guys that is far enough off topic.
back on topic. next comment i see about expensive cars and or their owners i will award some points for trolling.

 

[welly2]

I've just been watching an instructional video about the Williams Warn at . I must say, it does look the part. It's very bling and I bet you get cracking beer out of it. However, price aside, I don't think it would be for me even if I could afford to throw $4-5k at it. It doesn't seem to resemble brewing/fermentation that I recognise. I'm sure it's not as tricky or as involved as the video suggests but it does seem both tricky and involved. I'm curious as to why you'd want to keg if this thing delivers beer as the video shows with a built in kegerator? I guess it's just another option for how you serve your beer.

Interesting tech/gadget product, far far far out of my budget, can't imagine it would give me better beer than I'm making at the moment. Good on ya to those who have one and enjoy it.

 

[Yob]

I don't think it would be for me even if I could afford to throw $4-5k at it.

Harvey Norman, AUD $7499

 

[roger mellie]

Wow - a non-trolling post.

Welly, its about as simple as a fermenter with a temperature controller gets.

Step 1 - Make Wort - tip into WW
Step 2 - Pitch Yeast
Step 3 - Set Temperature Control
Step 4 - Wait

Now to the options

Step 5 - Clarify as shown in video/Drink from kegerator...

or (as I now do)

Step 5 - Crash Cool to 1 Deg C
Step 6 - Wait
Step 7 - Transfer to a keg via a filter

The main reason for kegging is to be able to make more beer.

Simple.

RM

 

[Blind Dog]

I've just been watching an instructional video about the Williams Warn at . I must say, it does look the part. It's very bling and I bet you get cracking beer out of it. However, price aside, I don't think it would be for me even if I could afford to throw $4-5k at it. It doesn't seem to resemble brewing/fermentation that I recognise. I'm sure it's not as tricky or as involved as the video suggests but it does seem both tricky and involved. I'm curious as to why you'd want to keg if this thing delivers beer as the video shows with a built in kegerator? I guess it's just another option for how you serve your beer.

Interesting tech/gadget product, far far far out of my budget, can't imagine it would give me better beer than I'm making at the moment. Good on ya to those who have one and enjoy it.

The beer wont necessarily be better. Same old adage of **** in, **** out will still hold true, but if you can brew a decent beer using normal techniques, there are potential benefits (pressurised fermentation, zero exposure to air from transfer of wort to drinking the beer, natural carbonation etc.). For Elz, Wobby and RM and no doubt others, those benefits are worth the $6k or so the WW costs.

This is interesting (at least I think it is): http://www.terifahrendorf.com/Closed-Pressurized-Fermenatation.pdf

 

[bradsbrew]

I would like to see the results of a system wars type of comp. Same wort, same yeast, same temp (not sure how temp is controlled on the WW). In the spirit of the brew rig system wars you could have a tradition plastic fermenter, Flat bottom SS fermenter, SS Conical and a WW. All pitched at the same time and served by draught at a set time period. Judged by blind tasting by BJCP certified.

 

[Blind Dog]

Wow - a non-trolling post.

Welly, its about as simple as a fermenter with a temperature controller gets.

Step 1 - Make Wort - tip into WW
Step 2 - Pitch Yeast
Step 3 - Set Temperature Control
Step 4 - Wait

Now to the options

Step 5 - Clarify as shown in video/Drink from kegerator...

or (as I now do)

Step 5 - Crash Cool to 1 Deg C
Step 6 - Wait
Step 7 - Transfer to a keg via a filter

The main reason for kegging is to be able to make more beer.

Simple.

RM

So for you it's really just a pressurized fermentation chamber?

edit: (just reread that - apologies if it reads as a snide comments; its not meant as such)

 

[Yob]

Wow - a non-trolling post.

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RM.. cmon mate, its more than that.. you can do 'advanced recipes'

http://www.williamswarn.com/Additional-Downloads#.VywHcU1PpaQ

sadly, though perhaps not surprisingly, BJCP Guidelines not updated since 2008

 

[Blind Dog]

I would like to see the results of a system wars type of comp. Same wort, same yeast, same temp (not sure how temp is controlled on the WW). In the spirit of the brew rig system wars you could have a tradition plastic fermenter, Flat bottom SS fermenter, SS Conical and a WW. All pitched at the same time and served by draught at a set time period. Judged by Blind Dog tasting

 

[roger mellie]

Harvey Norman, AUD $7499

So for you it's really just a pressurized fermentation chamber?

edit: (just reread that - apologies if it reads as a snide comments; its not meant as such)

Spot on Blind Dog - for me its all it is

I use a 20L Braumeister to make my Wort - this just ferments and carbonates.

So - yeah, relatively expensive for what it is.

RM

 

[wobbly]

As per RM above

I also use a 20lt Brau and often counter pressure bottle about half of each brew in 560ml Little Creatures bottles and that way I have a selection of sediment free beers to consume either from the machine or from a bottle.

Same as keging without the need for another fridge for kegs etc.and easy to take to a restaurant/friends place etc.

Not sure of the relevance of the BJCP guidelines reference

It floats my boat as I have said many times before

Wobbly

 

[sponge]

A BM and WW for making beer? Now that's some serious HB bling.

If you need to dispose of some cash monies, I'll PM you my bank deets.


PS. The above is tongue-in-cheek. However a brewer decides to brew is their prerogative. I can't wait to upgrade from my Barina..

 

[Brownsworthy]

Wow I've been completely ignorant of the WW simply because it is out of my price range and I'm a bit of a tinkerer I thought it produced beer from grain from start to finish.

I think now I know it is essentially a fermenter/dispenser it is definitely overpriced at $7499.

My current setup for fermenting/dispensing is a keg king kegerator, corny kegs, SS brewtech 14gal fermenter, commercial fridge with temp control that all set me back about $2000 including lines disconnects etc.

I can see how the WW may be good for some but I feel they have priced themselves out of the market for the majority of home brewers. Maybe a budget model is something that may entice more to this type of brewing.

Cheers

 

[roger mellie]

Wow I've been completely ignorant of the WW simply because it is out of my price range and I'm a bit of a tinkerer I thought it produced beer from grain from start to finish.

I think now I know it is essentially a fermenter/dispenser it is definitely overpriced at $7499.

My current setup for fermenting/dispensing is a keg king kegerator, corny kegs, SS brewtech 14gal fermenter, commercial fridge with temp control that all set me back about $2000 including lines disconnects etc.

I can see how the WW may be good for some but I feel they have priced themselves out of the market for the majority of home brewers. Maybe a budget model is something that may entice more to this type of brewing.

Cheers

Its evolution in the name of simplicity Brownsworthy.

I had all of the following at some point in my ongoing brewing obsession:

Bucket o death
Esky/Chilly Bun with a Beerbelly FB.
Hopsocks galore
50L 2V/3V Keggle setup
100L Morebeer Tippydump system
Immersion Chillers
Counter Flow Convolutos chillers
Sabco Chillwizard
Plastic Fermenters
Stainless Conicals
March Pumps
Peristaltic Pumps
Cam lock fittings
Tri Clamp fittings
Silicon Hoses
Temperature Controllers galore.
SSR Controllers/RIMS heaters
3 Brewing fridges
A Shitload of Swagelock fittings
A Blichmann Hop Rocket

I could go on

Now I have a mill, a 20L BM, a WW, about 12 Kegs and one Keg Fridge (and a filter) (I did buy a hop spider a while ago).I could do away with the mill but I like crunching my grain at 100 rpm not 500 rpm as my local brew shop does.

They say a fool and his money are soon parted, well that may be true, but in this case I can assure you - I would not trade any of the above systems nor the process of learning about them from zero to what I have now - have loved the journey and in the main, most of the **** I brought - has been recycled back into the brewing community.

The end

RM

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

C'mon Straya - the real reason you hate the WW sooooo much is because they is from Nuuu Zuuuulund. Innit.

RM

Of course it had nothing to do with the inventor telling us all that we are are fuckwitts and we dont know anything about brewing beer


Damage done RM... Damage done