What I Am Brewing With My Chinese Hops

[Bribie G]

Just doughed in my Chinese Pale Pilsener International Style.


So far the Saaz seems to be possibly the weakest link in the chain, so I'm diving right in and see how it shapes up.

4000 BB Galaxy
250 Carapils

66 degrees 90 mins

Chinese Saaz:

50 - 90 min
30 - 20 min
20 - 10 min

bugger it hang the expense

750 dex into fermenter (yup)

S-189 dried Swiss Lager Yeast.

Ferment 10 days 16 degrees
Lager 10 days. Gelatine, Polyclar.


I'll post later re aroma in kettle. :icon_cheers:

 

[MitchDudarko]

Is the Marco Polo similar to any other hop? Or is it primarily just for bittering?

 

[Bribie G]

It's apparently a Chinese version of Columbus and has a very Yank aroma if you like that sort of thing so would be a good dual purpose hop for APAs etc.

I've just done my second Chinese Saaz addition. Clean and spicy aroma, quite subtle. I've had a taste of how the bittering is going and that's just fine. Although it's a low AA hop the bittering level after 40 minutes is coming on fine. Not looking like an award winning Bohemian by any means but nothing to complain about so far. For the Tsingtao / St Miguel style I'm looking at, it seems to be fitting the bill so far.

 

[clarkey7]

Just tasted a sample of the wort (just pitched) I made with the Cascade hops last night.

The hops definately generated the anticipated IBU's (shedloads) so the AA's must be good.

Can't wait for it to ferment out to get a clearer picture of how these hops taste.

I'm very happy with the hops so far (from smelling aroma from packing them through to using them), but I guess the final results will be in once a few hundred beers are made with all these hops and we've tasted them.

PB

 

[benno1973]

Just brewed a RyePA with the cascade. Smelled great during the boil - 400g of hops across a double batch...

Recipe: Hot Ham Chinese IPA
Style: American IPA

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 42.00 L
Boil Size: 45.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 21.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 51.9 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.50 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston)
1.00 kg Flaked Rye
1.00 kg Munich I (Weyermann)
0.60 kg Caramunich II - 60L (Weyermann)
0.50 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston)
0.30 kg Brown Malt
45.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (FWH)Hops 14.4 IBU
45.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (60 min)Hops 13.1 IBU
45.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (30 min)Hops 10.1 IBU
45.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (15 min)Hops 6.5 IBU
60.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (10 min)Hops 6.3 IBU
60.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (2 min) Hops 1.5 IBU
100.00 gm Cascade (Chinese), 2009 [5.80 %] (10 min steep)Hops -
1.00 items Campden Tablets (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
2.00 tsp Citric Acid (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
2.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
42.00 L Perth Water
1 Pkgs Nottingham (Danstar #-) Yeast-Ale
1 Pkgs SafAle American Ale (DCL Yeast #US-56) Yeast-Ale

 

[MarkBastard]

:icon_drool2: :icon_drool2: :icon_drool2:

 

[benno1973]

Piccies from the RyePA yesterday...

400g of hops bagged and ready to go...


First runnings with the FWH...


After draining the kettle this is what was left. Notice that you can't see the pickup tube? It's buried somewhere in that hop sludge. The last runnings were just green sludge after the whirlpooled hop cone fell apart, so I shut the tap off early. There must be a good couple of inches of hop sludge there that went onto the compost...

 

[MarkBastard]

Those hops look pretty brown to me. Is it just the camera? Now green at all.

 

[staggalee]

they do look a bit aneamic don`t they.

stagga.

 

[arogers]

Mine were all green? Is it coz they were frozen? :huh:

 

[benno1973]

That first picture (of the hops in the bag) has a frosty sheen, as they were taken straight out of the freezer. The hops were green, not bright green, more like army camouflage green. I'm also not the greatest photographer in the world, so I probably didn't do them justice. But they weren't brown...

 

[benno1973]

Oh, and aroma going into the fermenter was a combination of orange marmalade, mandarin peel, and some grassy/straw/hay smells. Hopefully these will disappear during the ferment - possibly a byproduct of using so much hops?

 

[Fourstar]

Oh, and aroma going into the fermenter was a combination of orange marmalade, mandarin peel, and some grassy/straw/hay smells. Hopefully these will disappear during the ferment - possibly a byproduct of using so much hops?

I would say so. Most of my APAs use around 3.5g/L of hops and IPAs around 5g/l. You are averaging 7g/L :icon_drool2: .

The last beer i did with 7g/l was my Xmas in July case swap AIPA... All i can say is, DELICIOUS! :super:

 

[winkle]

Finally got my test batch of Marco Polo APA into the fermenting fridge. Efficiency was buggered up somehow (probably hangover related) but the hops were shining thru. Wacked it on a Nottingham slurry so it'll probably be crawling out the airlock tonight . Just 7 days (or so) to go to find out what they're like.

 

[NickB]

Pfft, you should give up drinking. Clearly you can't get your efficiencies or volumes correct without being sober.....




h34r:







Back OT, I'll be aiming for a triple or quad brew-weekend. Thinking 2x APA's, both 95% BB Ale malt, 5% Wheat, one with ChinaCascade, one with Marco Polo, maybe both hopburst style, still deciding.

Then I may brew either the CAP I've been planning for months, or go a NZPA and use up some Galaxy........ Or both. Shall see.

Cheers

 

[Bribie G]

Got a shrink of Marco Polo coming in from Ross tomorrow, I generally dislike APAs but I'll try anything once, as I said to my Scoutmaster when I was 13 .. B) . thinking of a SMASH with just BB Galaxy, Carapils, da sugaz, 30 marco 90 mins and 15 at 10 mins. US-05 at 17 degrees.

It's basically my testbed for Aussie style lagers so lets see how it turns out.

 

[winkle]

Pfft, you should give up drinking. Clearly you can't get your efficiencies or volumes correct without being sober.....

Butthead

Think it was a glitch with the scales, didn't really look like a kg of wheat went in there :unsure: . I'll feed it some new batteries and run some checks, and go back to the old mash tun for a Xmas batch of UXB to check everything before hitting out with an ~100 IBU Nugget-C and Cascade-C IIPA. Just about finished playing with the recipe now.

Chu Dat Hopf Phat
IIPA

Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 20.00 L
Boil Size: 22.89 L

Ingredients

6.50 kg Pale Malt, Galaxy (Barrett Burston) (1.5 SRM) Grain 83.33 %
0.50 kg Rice, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 6.41 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (1.5 SRM) Grain 6.41 %
0.30 kg Caraaroma (130.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
25.00 gm Cascade C [5.80 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
66.00 gm Nugget C [12.00 %] (60 min) Hops 70.2 IBU
30.00 gm Cascade C [5.80 %] (20 min) Hops 9.3 IBU
25.00 gm Cascade C [5.80 %] (15 min) Hops 6.4 IBU
25.00 gm Cascade C [5.80 %] (10 min) Hops 4.7 IBU
25.00 gm Cascade C [5.80 %] (5 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
0.25 tsp Koppafloc (Boil 10.0 min) Misc

US-05 double pack (rehydrated)

It should wake up a jaded palate

Looks like we'll have a few bottles to swap Bribie!

 

[NickB]

Putting these down this afternoon after work:

Recipe: Great Wall of Hops (MK I)
Style: 10A-American Ale-American Pale Ale

Recipe Overview

Wort Volume Before Boil: 30.00 l
Wort Volume After Boil: 22.00 l
Volume At Pitching: 21.00 l
Final Batch Volume: 20.00 l
Expected Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.036 SG
Expected OG: 1.050 SG
Expected FG: 1.012 SG
Expected ABV: 5.0 %
Expected ABW: 3.9 %
Expected IBU (using Tinseth): 35.2
Expected Color: 5.3 SRM
Apparent Attenuation: 74.9 %
Mash Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Duration: 60.0 mins
Fermentation Temperature: 18 degC

Fermentables
Australian BB Traditional Ale Malt 4.500 kg (94.7 %) In Mash/Steeped
German Dark Wheat Malt 0.250 kg (5.3 %) In Mash/Steeped

Hops
Chinese Cascade (5.8 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used 25 Min From End
Chinese Cascade (5.8 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used 15 Min From End
Chinese Cascade (5.8 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used 10 Min From End
Chinese Cascade (5.8 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used Dry-Hopped

Other Ingredients
Koppafloc 1 g used In Boil

Yeast: DCL US-56 SafAle American Ale

Mash Schedule
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name:Single Step Infusion (66C/151F) w/Mash Out
Step: Rest at 66 degC for 60 mins
Step: Raise to and Mash out at 77 degC for 10 mins


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Then

Recipe: Great Wall of Hops (MK II)
Style: 10A-American Ale-American Pale Ale

Recipe Overview

Wort Volume Before Boil: 30.00 l
Wort Volume After Boil: 22.00 l
Volume At Pitching: 21.00 l
Final Batch Volume: 20.00 l
Expected Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.036 SG
Expected OG: 1.050 SG
Expected FG: 1.012 SG
Expected ABV: 5.0 %
Expected ABW: 3.9 %
Expected IBU (using Tinseth): 37.8
Expected Color: 5.3 SRM
Apparent Attenuation: 74.9 %
Mash Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Duration: 60.0 mins
Fermentation Temperature: 18 degC

Fermentables
Australian BB Traditional Ale Malt 4.500 kg (94.7 %) In Mash/Steeped
German Dark Wheat Malt 0.250 kg (5.3 %) In Mash/Steeped

Hops
Chinese Marco Polo (Columbus) (12.0 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used 20 Min From End
Chinese Marco Polo (Columbus) (12.0 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used 5 Min From End
Chinese Marco Polo (Columbus) (12.0 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used At turn off
Chinese Marco Polo (Columbus) (12.0 % alpha) 30 g Loose Pellet Hops used Dry-Hopped

Other Ingredients
Koppafloc 1 g used In Boil

Yeast: DCL US-56 SafAle American Ale

Mash Schedule
Mash Type: Full Mash
Schedule Name:Single Step Infusion (66C/151F) w/Mash Out
Step: Rest at 66 degC for 60 mins
Step: Raise to and Mash out at 77 degC for 10 mins


Any feedback appreciated!

Cheers

 

[bradsbrew]

havnt had time for an AG so I thought Id do a kit brew.

1.7kg Coopers sparkling kit
1.5kg blackrock pale malt boiled with 5lt water for 15min
30g Chinese Cluster 15min
30g 0min

22L
saflager 34/70 will ferment at 18

i know this is not ideal for the yeast but am hoping that it may throw some esters to match the coopers kit. At least i'll get an indication of what the clauster tastes like.

Cheers

 

[benno1973]

Any feedback appreciated!

Cheers

Great idea! Late hopping should really bring out that hop character! Recipe looks the goods...