Re-Hydrate v Not..

[Ducatiboy stu]

Silver....very sad indeed...its almost like you have been draged to the water trough and forced to drink simply for expressing your opinion and option

 

[Florian]

I don't understand the point of joining a homebrewing forum, which is essentially a means of sharing homebrewing information, if you don't want any of that information. If Silver is happy with his beers that is great, but if I didn't want to pick up anything new about my brewing processes I would probably spend my net time looking at porn or something else. Anyway I tire of this rubbish.

Who said he doesn't want to pick up anything? I'm sure he's learned heaps, he might not be particularly interested in learning about yeast at this point but there's heaps more to brewing, isn't there?

I know that Silver has also contributed his own great ideas to this forum, and has also sold some excellent second hand gear (search his content if you don't remember those ideas). So there's another reason to join a forum.

In relation to your second sentence, one could also argue that time might be better spent by looking at porn than arguing on a home brew forum. :icon_cheers:


Windsor re-hydrating as we speak, time for a beer!

 

[slash22000]

I'm glad that people didn't have this "let newbies **** things up" attitude years ago or else I would never have learned jack from AHB. Being told I was a dickhead accounts for about 90% of my brewing education.

 

[Silver]

I'm glad that people didn't have this "let newbies **** things up" attitude years ago or else I would never have learned jack from AHB. Being told I was a dickhead accounts for about 90% of my brewing education.

understandable

 

[RelaxedBrewer]

I was just listening to the latest Brew Strong episode with Jamil Zainasheff and John Palmer on the way home.
They commented on the non rehydrating practise, I had to have a little laugh.
http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/984
or
http://s125483039.onlinehome.us/archive/bs_072213yeastQA.mp3
at 38.50

RB

 

[slash22000]

For those who can't listen to the MP3, Jamil explains that sprinkling in dry yeast kills at least half of it, and it's a terrible idea.

For those who don't know Jamil Zainasheff, he might be more familiar to you as Mr Malty (i.e. the yeast calculator guy), and the co-author of the "Yeast" book I linked earlier, also co-authored by Chris White (i.e. President and Founder of White Labs). Honestly I don't know how many more PHD's in biochemistry we need to reinforce these facts.

 

[Silver]

You don"t

 

[bum]

For those who can't listen to the MP3, Jamil explains that sprinkling in dry yeast kills at least half of it, and it's a terrible idea.

Then why do Fermentis recommend the process?

Rehydrating is best and easy. Dry pitching has a downside that is easy countered. This is well covered now (and previously).

 

[slash22000]

Why do Fermentis recommend killing half their yeast? I don't know. It's a good question. Probably the same reason Coopers cans only come with 7 grams of yeast: technically, it works.

If people honestly do not give a shit about good practice and want to continue pitching yeast dry, more power to them, and I hope it works every time. But I'm inclined to echo the sentiment that if you're not interested in learning about brewing, why bother commenting at all? What's the point in shutting down conversation with "Well I don't WANT to rehydrate so NA NA NA"?

 

[bum]

What's the point in shutting down conversation with "Well I don't WANT to rehydrate so NA NA NA"?

What's the point of telling people who say that they've tried rehydrating and didn't notice any benefit that they're being closed-minded?

Put your lack of self-awareness in the air and back away from the keyboard.

 

[slash22000]

It's not a matter of subjectivity or closed-mindedness, it's fact VS fiction. The original post stated that it's better NOT to rehydrate, which is factually false. The people who have chimed in saying they haven't noticed anything wrong with pitching dry are ancillary to the original discussion.

It seems like every time I post anything I end up arguing with you about my motivations behind posting it. I dunno if you're dating one of my ex-girlfriends or what. God help you if you are. :wacko:

 

[bum]

The people who have chimed in saying they haven't noticed anything wrong with pitching dry are ancillary to the original discussion.

And yet these are the people you are talking to.

There you go with the lack of self-awareness again.

 

[carniebrew]

So Fermentis and Lallemand don't know what they're talking about then?

I rehydrate because it says to on the pack. If it said to jump off a bridge...

I think they DO know what they're talking about...and look at the last line as written on a pack of US-05:



If you can't read it, I'll reproduce it:
Pitching: Sprinkle into wort.

So it's not just as easy as saying "It's a terrible idea". Other dry yeasts may require re-hydrating, but the manufacturer of US-05 doesn't think it has a downside worth caring about.

And anyone trying to argue that it's "just as easy" to re-hydrate is talking shit. Re-hydrating involves extra sanitation, temperature monitoring and timing issues. It's not hard, but it's nowhere near as easy as snip and sprinkle FFS.

I continue to re-hydrate us-05 maybe half the time I pitch it, maybe one in every three. Why? Dunno, it's just kinda fun. But I have never noticed any difference. I say do whatever you prefer.

 

[Droopy]

I wonder if chicks on cake baking forums bitch as much as this?

 

[Pickaxe]

I hydrate yeast when baking, get better results, why not with brewing?

 

[Pickaxe]

From what I've read on here, it also has a lot to do with style and particular yeast not dealing with stress. Ive personally found good oxygenation of the wort to have a bigger impact than dry or rehydration at the 20-23l volumes i deal with.

 

[JasonP]

I think they DO know what they're talking about...and look at the last line as written on a pack of US-05:

us-05.jpg

If you can't read it, I'll reproduce it:
Pitching: Sprinkle into wort.

So it's not just as easy as saying "It's a terrible idea". Other dry yeasts may require re-hydrating, but the manufacturer of US-05 doesn't think it has a downside worth caring about.

And anyone trying to argue that it's "just as easy" to re-hydrate is talking shit. Re-hydrating involves extra sanitation, temperature monitoring and timing issues. It's not hard, but it's nowhere near as easy as snip and sprinkle FFS.

I continue to re-hydrate us-05 maybe half the time I pitch it, maybe one in every three. Why? Dunno, it's just kinda fun. But I have never noticed any difference. I say do whatever you prefer.

The reason why dry yeast manufacturers say sprinkle in wort is because they don't know what the brewer's sanitation practices are like - so sprinkling dry yeast is not the best however better than re-hydrating with unsanitary conditions.

 

[Pickaxe]

I also defer to brewers like carnie, bum, Ducati and others. My jury is out. I think the point about commercial to hobby volumes speaks volumes....

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I also defer to brewers like carnie, bum, Ducati and others. My jury is out. I think the point about commercial to hobby volumes speaks volumes....

Well sometimes things dont scale down with ease

 

[Bizier]

You all know the acronym.