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DUANNE

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Uh huh. 220 billion in debt (240 billion spent in the last 5 years). Gonna take a fair bit of fiscal responsibility to reel that back in. Why wait until 2013.

Howard took over in '96 with 96 billion in debt and turned that around and got us 20 billion or so surplus and another 20 billion in the futures fund.

Sure he had to cut back on education, health, pensions etc... and you can hold it against him but it wouldn't have had to happen if Hawke and Keating didn't run down the country......the recession that we had to have. Now it's time for Abbott to do the same and try to get the country back on track. I'm glad Gillard won. She's going to get annihilated in the next election. I can hardly wait. If only the self-serving pissweak independents will call a no-confidence vote then we can get on with it.

I hope all you Labour voters have enjoyed the cream of the last 5 years. Lived it up. Lived it large. Spent your $900 on something nice and expendable. I put mine in my offset account, but then again I am a Tory. I started tightening my belt and putting all my spare money into my offset as soon as Kevin07 became PM as I knew that bad times may be coming. Smug bastard. Useless prick. Useless party.

It's time again for the Liberals to start reeling back the debt. It'll take a decade of belt tightening, and just after the debt is reeled in and there's a surplus, people will forget and vote the next big Labour thing in and the cycle will start again. Good vs Evil. Ying and Yang. Who gives a ****.

who cares how many poeple die and how many kids are left without a future from the cut backs what really matters is a piece of paper that has a surplus. funny how in the real world australian unemployment under labour is down ( going completly against abbot and the right wing medias rhetoric). funny how australian debt is actually very low by world standards at this time and our economy one of the best and most stable in the world. all acheived in a worldwide depression.
so what is the religious crackpot offering us,oh thats right bring back a lot of old howard era policies such as workchoices and tempory protection visas. if you want to see a country run by the extreme right wing beliefs look no further than the us. thats right they have gone down and taken the world with them.a country with no health care an uber expesive education system and third world pay rates and conditions for average workers. now look towards one of the most succesfull economys in germany. free health care for all, free education for all and very high standards of pay and conditions for most of the population. if you choose to believe all the right wing propoganda and bullshit these roles should be reversed no?
im no labor voter but i would prefer julia over a no idea abbot any day. but then id rather vote for daffy duck than any of our current politicall partys at the moment aswell, he would probably have more originall ideas than either of them any way.
 

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@ BEERHOG For the first time, someone I can say +1 to. In Germany itself, people lament the high tax rate.

However, they got way better education systems, cheaper food, cheaper rents, cheaper transport, much much safer streets (from personal experience) and are NOT communist. A socialist welfare government is perhaps the most responsible thing out there.

tbh, the greens are closer to that sort of ideology than anyone else but seriously, Bob Brown!!! wtf! They need some new decisive believable leadership and Australia might be the first big place with a greens govt.
I just remember this video Bob Brown posted on YouTube last election and he managed to warble his way through ~2-5 minutes without saying absolutely anything of any significance.
 

Rowy

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What, the ~4% of "illegal" migrants who arrive by boat? As opposed to the ~96% who come by plane? Why anyone cares is beyond me.

Super Simian just one small point of order. The ones thagt arrive b y plane have papers..............the ones that arrive by boat, in thevast majority don't. Makes backgound checking nearly impossible. When the left put the arrive by plane argument forward they always forget the bit about the papers.
 

bum

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Because people fleeing political persecution are able to get passports.
 

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Getting pretty OT, but my opinion is that anyone with the pluck to get on a boat and travel halfway round the world with no guarantee of being allowed in, probably has something to offer this country. And I grew up in Penrith. In the electorate of Lindsay, which almost swung back to the coalition solely on a stop the boats campaign.
 

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Hey Rob, your missing out on TAlkback radio bloke, get on the line and tell em whatswhat
 

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I just remember this video Bob Brown posted on YouTube last election and he managed to warble his way through ~2-5 minutes without saying absolutely anything of any significance.
He's a politician. THis is pretty much par for the course...
 

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I know a few flag waving, southern cross tattoo wearing, "**** off we're full" types. They can't keep a job for longer than a few weeks, keep impregnating different (also unemployable) slappers, and all the while feel like they have some divine right to judge people who come here seeking asylum.
IMHO we should revive the 'people swap' policy with a twist & send these dickheads out to some middle eastern desert, and tell them to re-join the imaginary queue if they want to return. I'll take the bilingual hard working grateful refugee over them any day.
 

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Not sure I agree with this. My experience is that people genuinely ARE that petty and selfish.
Hey Bum, ever read Christopher Hitchens work? I like him. I think you would to.

"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either."


- From God Is Not Great, 2007

Of course, Hitchens is being a little ironic and facetious there.


Cheer up mate, we're not all seeking to suck the jam out of your doughnut.
 

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Not sure I agree with this. My experience is that people genuinely ARE that petty and selfish.
Fair point.

I would say that the bogans are indeed racist hate-filled arseholes, but this stems from a genuine ignorance that they aren't entirely responsible for. It's cultural and something that can only change over time.

The politicians should basically know better. They have an education. They know that it's not really an issue but also know it's an easy ground to 'play politics' on. They know that overall it's a politically smart move to do and something that will win them votes overall, which I guess shows that the majority of Australians really are ******* idiots.
 

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Hey Bum, ever read Christopher Hitchens work? I like him. I think you would to.
No I haven't but I have been looking for God Is Not Great through COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE AND NOT AT ALL ILLEGAL avenues for a little while now without success.

The politicians should basically know better. They have an education. They know that it's not really an issue but also know it's an easy ground to 'play politics' on. They know that overall it's a politically smart move to do and something that will win them votes overall, which I guess shows that the majority of Australians really are ******* idiots.
I agree with all of this but it really just follows a big circle. Keating was the basically the only PM we had that came close to breaking this cycle but for his troubles he is remembered as a villain when, in actuality, his policies are what set us up to be one of the few countries not nearly decimated by the last 3 global economic crises. No politician will ever stay in power in this country if they take a "I know better than you do" attitude. I'm not sure why people don't actively want a person "better" than themselves in power - not necessarily saying Keating was that person, of course.
 

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I'm not sure why people don't actively want a person "better" than themselves in power .

Because people are arrogant and ignorant. I want a real leader. An inspirational statesman and gritty man of action the likes of Churchill, Teddy Roosevelt or even idealists like Gandhi. Gives us something .

I cant do it, and neither can you. I don't want the pisshead down the pub running the country just because I can 'relate' to him, or just because he's a 'top bloke' who can administer a successful meat tray raffle.
But times don't demand such people. So we get benign puppets, used car salesmen and game show hosts.

Can you imagine Brits huddled around the wireless in the 1940's seeking words of hope and courage from their leader and having the likes of Gillard or Abbot emit from the crackly speaker?
"Moi fellow Britons" - **** me, it'd be enough to make the Home Guard turn their bed sheets into white flags.
 

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Super Simian just one small point of order. The ones thagt arrive b y plane have papers..............the ones that arrive by boat, in thevast majority don't. Makes backgound checking nearly impossible. When the left put the arrive by plane argument forward they always forget the bit about the papers.
Ok, switch your brain to the ON position, then read the quote below. Try reading it a few times, till it sinks in...


Because people fleeing political persecution are able to get passports.
If anything, people who arrive with "papers" often aren't fleeing much more than economic circumstance, and are LESS worthy of refugee status than those who risk their lives on "the boats." Try your chances of obtaining "papers" as an ethnic Tamil trying to GTFO of Sri Lanka for example. Not going to happen.


The politicians should basically know better. They have an education. They know that it's not really an issue but also know it's an easy ground to 'play politics' on. They know that overall it's a politically smart move to do and something that will win them votes overall, which I guess shows that the majority of Australians really are ******* idiots.
Not just Australians. People all over the world. The unfortunate side of democracy is it lets the uninformed and unintelligent vote; and half the time they don't know what the hell is going on. They just go along with what they are told by those with vested interests in either maintaining or challenging the status-quo for their own ends and/or gain, not for the greater good of the community. Anyway, enough flopping round on the starting line for me, I have to go make some beer...Or just drink some beer.
 

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Keating was Australia's greatest prime minister\treasurer.
 

warra48

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I just love the theatre of the usual ALP behaviour, ie back stabbing, scheming, power broking, faction fighting, hating, lying, elephant memory for past wrongs etc etc.

And now we have a vote of confidence(?) in the PM, (was it 71 to 31 votes?), with all past issues resolved, and with the parliamentary ALP settled down to a permanent love in, so they can win the next election?

They must think we are more stupid than anyone can credit.

That's not to say the other lot are any better. As for my federal local member, castration is too good for him. And as for Bob Turdface, he needs to retire and take up tree hugging again in the forests of Tasmania.

Damn shame the country must be run by politicians.
 

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