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I'll try and get AndrewQLD in here to comment on this motor setup.

Sorry for the late response Sammy.
I've been using this motor for some time now and it's a workhorse.
Mine is powered by a 12 v car battery and is easily powerful enough to start the mill with a full hopper.

The shaft of the motor and the mill are joined with a spider coupler so it's very easy to set up.
At current count it"s crushed about 150 kg of grain and I have only recharged the battery once. It"s fairly quiet too and crushes 5 kilo of malt in about 90 seconds.

Cheers
Andrew
 
Sorry for the late response Sammy.
I've been using this motor for some time now and it's a workhorse.
Mine is powered by a 12 v car battery and is easily powerful enough to start the mill with a full hopper.

The shaft of the motor and the mill are joined with a spider coupler so it's very easy to set up.
At current count it"s crushed about 150 kg of grain and I have only recharged the battery once. It"s fairly quiet too and crushes 5 kilo of malt in about 90 seconds.

Cheers
Andrew


I wonder if it would be worth gearing it down slightly to get the speed down a little to more like the 60-80 rpm recommended?
 
You dont need a motor on you Mill master, unless you are a whimp, what wrong with you boy , hell its only ten minutes of work if you are mashing 40 litres comon !!!.

Get a handle !!!!

Pumpy :angry: ;) :)

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You dont need a motor on you Mill master, unless you are a whimp, what wrong with you boy , hell its only ten minutes of work if you are mashing 40 litres comon !!!.

Get a handle !!!!

Pumpy :angry: ;) :)



MORE POWER!!!! <insert Tim the Toolman Taylor grunts>
 
Ahhhhhh i will never forget the looks on Pumpy's, Ducatiboy's and Ross's faces years ago when they saw my mill run the grain through with a motor on it.

It finnished and if i recal corectly...... all were silent for a few seconds and Ross said...........

"Ahhhh.... takes all the fun out of it!"

Mind you........ pumpy is the only one without a motor on his mill but he is a Pom.......... he needs something to complain about :lol: :p

cheers
 
Ahhhhhh i will never forget the looks on Pumpy's, Ducatiboy's and Ross's faces years ago when they saw my mill run the grain through with a motor on it.

It finnished and if i recal corectly...... all were silent for a few seconds and Ross said...........

"Ahhhh.... takes all the fun out of it!"

Mind you........ pumpy is the only one without a motor on his mill but he is a Pom.......... he needs something to complain about :lol: :p

cheers

Yes Tony it was impressive i must say, but all those years later and my biceps look like Popeye's now .

Ross has put it all on his belly too much of the good life and Stu is still working out what to do with the Copper chiller he built .

Your finger must be beefing up too switching that motor on too. ;)

Pumpy :)
 
no motor, no good. simple
the wheel was a great invention...but now we have the wheel and electricity
just so much better :D

cheers,
bud
 
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What are the options for powering one of these Oatley motors? I'm thinking i'll run it at 24V and gear it down further to about 100 rpm.

Would a 400W PC power supply do the job? Something like this one which runs 400W at 24v.

Sam
 
Not much chance of 1.87Nm being enough to drive a millmaster. I think AndrewQld has one of these motors on his mill.
Whoops! Should have checked the link above. :wacko:
 
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What are the options for powering one of these Oatley motors? I'm thinking i'll run it at 24V and gear it down further to about 100 rpm.

Would a 400W PC power supply do the job? Something like this one which runs 400W at 24v.

Sam

Mines hooked up to a 12 volt car battery, the reduced voltage means a slower and better crush, 5 kilos runs through in about 2 minutes and the battery lasts about 8-10 crushes between charges.

Andrew
 
Mines hooked up to a 12 volt car battery, the reduced voltage means a slower and better crush, 5 kilos runs through in about 2 minutes and the battery lasts about 8-10 crushes between charges.

Andrew

Any idea of the max current it pulls during a crush?
 
I'm just going to chuck this up here too, would it be possible to use a roller door motor? They can lift a pretty heavy double door, but I'm not sure it that's only because of the tension that's already built into the door.
 

So I assume these bikes use a couple of lead acid batteries hooked up in series to give 24 volt. The critical factor then, if one is to use battery power, is to determine the maximum current draw and match this up to some suitable lead acid batteries.


I'm no expert, anyone know how 1.87Nm would go?

According to the Oatley website the nominal torque is 7.46 Nm, which I assume is at the published rated speed of 320 rpm.

The figures on the bike website are quoting torque figures at the maximum RPM of the motor, rather than the output on the drive shaft. These are gear motors, so what comes out the output shaft is not the same as the motor is generating at the motor shaft (that's the point of a gear motor).

For instance the quoted 'rated load' torque of 0.87 Nm is at 2738 rpm, which when converted to the output RPM of 320 rpm ((2738 / 320) * 0.87) gives you the Oatley figure of around 7.4 Nm of torque.

This equates to 66 pound inches of torque, which according to this website should be sufficient for crushing grain. But obviously i'm no engineer, so all of these numbers are purely pie-in-the-sky at this point.

The max torque quoted on the bike website is 1.68 Nm at 2275 rpm at a current draw of 24 amps. This would equate to almost 12 Nm of torque at the output shaft if i'm not mistaken.

Sam
 
And that would assume a 1:1 final drive ratio too wouldn't it? So if you had a sprocket on the mill with twice the teeth as the one on motor, torque would double again.
 
No, but I can run some grain through tonight and take a reading. I'll post back tonight.

Andrew

That would be awesome. One of these motors direct driving a monster mill from a recycled ATX computer supply would be a very tidy set up - providing it doesn't draw more than 12 Amps @ 12V.

Sammy, nice work on the link and the conversion.
 
I'm no expert, anyone know how 1.87Nm would go?

This one's probably been answered but for everyone else...

You can easily figure out the torque you require on the shaft, just need a very simple equation.

All you need to do is test out your manual hand crank first. If you can figure out how hard you need to push on it then you can easily find out the rest. You can do this by hanging a known weight off the handle when it's horizontal, or simply push on the handle with a scale and take the reading.

The required torque on the inputshaft in Nm is simply: T = P * L * 9.81 where

P = Equivalent hand force on crank, how hard you push in kilograms
L = Length of crank (Centre of shaft to centre of handle)


Say you find it takes 5kg to push down on a 300mm long hand crank, then the torque required at the input shaft to crush grain is:

T = 5kg * 0.3m * 9.81 = 14.7 Nm

This would be how much torque you would need at the input shaft after gear reduction.

If you want 100 RPM at this torque then you have Required Power in watts = (RPM * Torque) / 9.55.

Take required power and divided by motor rated RPM and multiply by 9.55 will give you required motor torque before the step down. Ie

P = (100 RPM * 14.7Nm) / 9.55 = 153 W (motor power)

If i have a motor that runs at 600 rpm then the required motor torque is:

Tmotor = (153 * 9.55) / 600 = 2.435 Nm

BTW in this case you would have needed a 6:1 reduction so

600 RPM / 6 = 100 RPM and 2.435 Nm * 6 = 14.7 Nm

Don't forget to leave a bit up your sleeve. Hope this makes sense as I'm rushing it during my lunch hour.

Cheers,

Rob
 
That's good info Rob, thanks. Based on your cals I've worked out the required torque for my millmaster. It took 6.25 kgs to turn the 300mm handle from a horizontal position and I loaded the hopper with wheat malt. I used wheat as it's harder than barley malt and I thought it would save me using barley malt and then adding "something up my sleeve" to allow for harder grains. Therefore I need 18.4Nm of force at the drive shaft.
I just went out to the shed and added the larger corflute hopper and it took 10kgs of force so I need to recalculate. 29.43Nm.
 
This has been a very interesting thread, thanks for the info.

As a total motor/gearing n00b, I'm still a little lost about exactly what will and won't work. I'm after the cheapest practical solution to motorise my mill, I have a drill attached at the moment, and it just doesn't cut it.

So, if I want to motorise my mill, will any of these motors work?

$86 Oatley 24V 250W DC GEARED MOTOR - http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com//produ...products_id=192
$39 Oatley 24V 300W DC MOTOR http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com//produ...products_id=665
$109 Oatley 24V LARGE 500W DC MOTOR http://secure.oatleyelectronics.com//produ...products_id=667

or this one looks interesting:
$39 Volt Elextronics, 12V DC Reversible Gearhead Motor - 160RPM http://stores.channeladvisor.com/volt-elec...?itemid=4669762

Then it's pretty-much a matter of finding the right sprockets to reduce whatever the rpm of the motor is to ~100rpm at the mill, right?
Any decent online places to buy chains and sprockets? or belts and pullies?

Tim
 

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