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Hi all,
this is my first post. Just bought a new kegging system, thought i would give the bottles away.
I have a basic understanding of what to do; via my local home brew shop, and mates that already have a system up and running. After doing a search, with no real luck, i need to find a step by step guide to the kegging process.
This is what i've done so far:
1. fermented
2.kegged
3.burped the kegs, @ about 10psi to get all the air out, gassed up to 20psi and let stand for about two days
4. what happens next? advise i was given was to de-gas the keg, put in fridge to get cold, about 12 hours, then regass at 35psi for about 3-5 days. after this reduce the carbonationg pressure to drinking pressure, 10 psi and try.

any help you can pass on would be great......i want to avoid a flat beer, or a keg full of ice cream!

Happy Drinkin!
 
Hi Shindiger, welcome to the forum.
I've always thrown the keg straight into the fridge as soon as I've filled it, can't see the point in standing it for two days, but then maybe they know something I don't :unsure:
At least in my fridge, it will take 48hrs to get the keg down to an acceptable drinking temp, there's a lot of liquid there.. but my fridge is also pretty old.
I'd also suggest that 35psi is way too high for gassing, unless you like lot's of head.
Wind it up to ~25psi, turn the gas off and shake it, you should see the pressure drop to ~10psi. Open the tap again and try again. It sometimes takes a while and while the keg is cooling down it will accept more and more gas. Once it stops dropping as far, maybe only comes back to 15psi or more. Wind the pressure back down to ~10psi for dispensing and give it a go.
You can also overcarbonate this way as well, so take regular tests :D

Edit: Jimmy's beaten me to it. Basically what I was trying to say. I follow the method a bit roughly though :D
 
Hey shindiger,

The easiest way is to put it in the fridge with the gas hooked up at 80kpa (10pis) and leave it for a week. You will have no risk of over carbonating and the extra time will allow it to clear. If you want to carbonate faster give the cold keg a shake for 5min with the gas at 10psi, this way there is no chance of over carbonating. After shaking let it sit for a few hours to settle otherwise your will get a lot of foam.
 
Thanks for the quick replies all. Keep em comin' though the more advice the better!

Jye's reply is about what i thought, and problably the way i was going to go. Ross's method sounds great for a rapid carbonation, but I dont mind waiting that extra week.

Mika_lika, the reason i was given for the standing for a couple of days is to let the brew settle after kegging...if this makes a difference or not i'm not sure - another reason for letting the keg stand for some period of time is just to let it age a bit for taste - some comments on the ageing of the keg would be great!

The thing that i'm still a little unsure about is the de-gas part. If i do let the keg stand for an amount of time, for what ever reason, do i have to de-gas the keg, wait for the keg to get cold, then re-gas at 80kpa as was suggested?

the keg would have about 100kpa in it when standing, waiting to be carbonated.
 
I keg because I'm thristy and want to drink it quickly :D so rapid carbonation is the only method I know.

As a general rule, the keg stands in the fridge for a while (in my case almost 2 days) before I start drinking from it, so don't see the need to stand the keg.

As for de-gassing, the only reason I see for that is so you don't have dramas when re-connecting the disconnect. But I'd still be leaving some pressure on there just so nothing can get past the seals and make it to the brew also I think the CO2 would help with maturing the beer. Though I've got no proof to back that up.
 
I have used the gas and shake method but was finding 25kg a bit too much of a pita to shake for 100 times.
Was thinking about a rocking cradle with the mill motor doing 2 jobs........

Lately I've been using a carbonation calculator on my software: Picture_1.png (from BeerAlchemy MacOSX)
I don't leave my kegs running gas because I've lost 1/2 a bottle overnight before.
I just keep adding around 150-200kpa every day (leaving about 3 pints worth of space in the top of the keg- somewhere for the gas to build up) and then after about 3 days, just start lowering it to whatever the puter tells me.
I know from experience that 2 weeks at 0-1C in stainless steel is finishing school for beer. Even those roughy experimental beers get the treatment, it can mean the difference between down the bath or down the throat.
The hardest thing is waiting for the 2 weeks, that's why i try to alternate kegs. If you've only got 1 keg, then you've got no options other than shaking the keg or buying beer while you wait for carbonation/lagering.
 
The easiest way is to put it in the fridge with the gas hooked up at 80kpa (10pis) and leave it for a week. You will have no risk of over carbonating and the extra time will allow it to clear. .

This way works fine, but leaving your gas turned on for a week is extremely risky. If your system develops a small leak you'll either end up with an empty gas bottle, an empty keg of beer with beer all over the floor, or both.
I've personally experienced both senarios & know several others who have as well.

cheers Ross
 
Thanks Ross.......I am worried about loosing all my gas.

So that leads me to another question.......tangent, could you please explain exactly what you do when carbonating your kegs? for example...do your juice it up to 150-200kpa, disconnect, turn off your gas, then...go back the next day and do the same again? The beeralchemy software....is it available for windows?

So, for a new kegger, what do you think is the best way to go? a rapid carbonation (which seems to be popular) or letting the keg carbonate for a week and risk loosing your gas? or juice it up each day as tangent suggests?


I dont want to be a pain in the @rse about all this but, being a newbie I just want to get all the advice i can :D

Happy Drinkin!
 
sorry mate, only runs on Mac
PC users might be able to point you towards a less user friendly version.

I purge 1st.
Dial up the pressure and give her a blast through the pickup tube, like a soda stream so it bubbles through the beer- until i can't hear gas moving anymore. (note- if you don't have pressure on your reg and don't have a valve on the gas line you can squirt beer into your reg which is bad) the first 48 hours you need to do this about 5-6 times depending on how much head space you left, (once it starts to get carbonation, it squirts beer everywhere when i connect/disconnect (i'm using snap-lock pub fittings rather than quick-connects) so then i swap over to the correct gas intake) then it takes less and less gas as it get's carbonated. eventually when you try to put 100kpa on it after a week, it barely takes a squeek. It's then also at my pouring pressure (dependent on line length, diameter, tap height etc.) So I can run a balanced system where i keep giving it a blast when it runs slow and starts to lose carbonation. When there's a heap of thirsty blokes around then i keep her dialled up and connected, but for 4 pints a night, i just give her a blast before bed to freshen up the pressure.

i totally recommend 2 weeks lagering in stainless. it really is maturation at it's best/quickest, if you fast carbonate or not.
 
So, for a new kegger, what do you think is the best way to go? a rapid carbonation (which seems to be popular) or letting the keg carbonate for a week and risk loosing your gas? or juice it up each day as tangent suggests?

Shindiger, you've been given a few good choices here & there's a heap of threads discussing the virtues of each which can be accessed via the search button up top. Also, as you said, you have mates already kegging. Shouldn't be too hard to pick one that takes your fancy :)

Cheers Ross
 
I have found the 100kpa method to work quite well

- rack to second ferementer for 7 days
- purge keg of all air
- fill keg
- pressureise at 100kpa through beer outlet, 3 shorts bursts from the release valve while still connected to gas (to release any air trapped)
- refridgerate
- for the next 3 to 4 days connect the gas to the keg through beer outlet and rock up to 100 times (still conected then back into the fridge awaiting next gasing
- poor at 100kpa

this method lets you leave your reg set so no need to adjust pressures ever. it may take a little longer (few days) than some other methods but hey beer only gets better while its waiting for you to drink it.
 
cheers everyone,

got some options to ponder and some research to do........

I will let you know.....

BTW this forum is great!

Happy Drinkin!
 
So you's turn your gas off at the bottle when your not using it? I guess it makes sense now i think about it :)
 
Take it from a fellow Kegging Newbie

Have done 2 kegs - totally over carbonated the first one doing the 1 week @ 11 psi (for 2.4 volumes ish)then getting impatient. Made an excellent piece of fire fighting equipment - shot foam about 10 feet!

Salvaged by leaving the relief valve open and starting again basically.

So the 2nd keg - I got wise and followed Ross's method (link is above i think) and it was a piece of p#ss - simple method - very repeatable - very quick.

My 2 cents worth anyway.

RM
 
Also check the length of your beer line so that the systems balanced.

about 3 metres of 5mm beer line works well for me and store the beer at about 13-15psi.

This way you dont have to bleed off any pressure to pour and re gas the keg at teh end of the session
 
don't get me wrong, the only thing i don't like about the shake method, is the shaking. It's quick and simple, but if you have the will power to leave your keg to lager for 2 weeks, you may as well put some gas in it at the same time.

edit - typo
 
The local HB shop says that forced carbonation is strickly TABOO! as far as he's concerned and prefers the slow carbonation method.

my first keg is on the slow.......but the second will be done by Ross's method.

HB owner says that everybody's system can work diferently and to just get to know mine....so that's what i'm going to do.

I'm sure the beer fridge and i will have many a conversation whilst drinking my brews!

Happy Drinkin!
 
Welcome Shindiger!

Firstly, your LHBS owner sounds as though he wants to sell you more kegs! There is no Taboo whatsoever on forced carbonation of a keg.

There may be slight distinctions between a forced carbonated beer and a naturally carbonated beer but most people would be unable to detect these and even so, such a consideration is totally irrlevant except perhaps at the highest brewing level where, depending on the beer, either method would be correct. So, forget your LHBS's advice. There are far more important things to worry about in brewing a good beer.

You've also been given some great advice above but it might seem a little bit hard to follow. In fact, I actually started to write here a step by step process for you but can't really do so properly without knowing what equipment you have, what process you have used and what ingredients such as kit or grain that you started with.

I might as well have a bash though as it's either writing a reply to you or doing tax paperwork. Think, think think.... Yep, let's write a really detailed answer to your question - much more fun!

Firstly, I'm going to assume that you don't have heaps of kegs that you can afford to leave lying around without them dispensing beer.

I'm also going to assume that you have aged, if necessary, your beer correctly and now have it sitting in a, 'cube,' that has been sitting in your fridge at 2 degrees for at least 14 hrs. I'm aslo going to assume you have a clean keg. If so, you can be drinking beer in half an hour.

My last assumption is that you want a lot of detail - lol!

1. Put a litre of no-rinse steriliser in your keg, put the lid on after giving that a spray with steriliser and swirl everything around.

2. Connect your gas line and the liquid line that runs to the tap to the keg. Open your beer tap and put a jug under it. Turn on your gas bottle and turn the regulator knob until you can hear the gas running through. When you see the steriliser coming out your tap, turn the tap off and then the gas bottle. Wait ten minutes.

You now have a keg full of CO2 so no need for purging. You also are sanitising your beer line and tap.

4. While the above is going on, pull your cube out of the fridge GENTLY and put it on a bench. Tilt the cube so that wherever you are going to be sucking the beer from (tap, syphon or, better still, $16 auto-syphon) is at the lowest point.

5. Open beer tap and let all steriliser run through until you are just getting CO2 coming from the tap and a few dribbles of steriliser. (You may need to turn gas on again to do this but probably not.) Disconnect gas and liquid lines from the keg.

6. Syphon beer from cube into keg. If you're paranoid, cover keg and cube opening s with paper towells or a clean cloth to prevent airborne particles dropping in.

7. Put keg lid on. Attach gas line and add a little CO2. Your regulator should still be on its prior setting and this will be just enough to pressurise the keg a little and ensure the seals form.

8. Lay the keg on it's side with the gas inlet closest to the ground.

9. Check for leaks.

10. Now, increase the pressure to 30psi or 200 kpa (this is safe for all kegs known at present on this forum.) Leave the gas on and rock for 60 seconds. Turn gas off and then, (I've stolen this bit from The Ross Method of Forced Carbonation, a term that Ross gets annoyed about as it was not his original idea - lol!)

Turn off gas (on main bottle) but continue to rock keg while monitoring the pressure dial. You will see the pressure full back quite quickly & then stabilise (100 - 200kpa). The goal is for the pressure to fall back to between 140 - 160 kpa depending on your preference (140 pommie ale - 160 Aussie beer). If the pressure falls well below 140 kpa, just turn gas back on & rock for another 10 - 15 secs, then recheck & repeat as necessary.

11. When you have achieved the above, disconnect your gas line and fully unscrew your regulator valve.

12. If you want to drink straight away then very slowly purge the excess gas from the keg. Watch for foam coming out. If you can wait an hour or so then there will be less chance of foam! WHen the keg is fully purged, attach your gas line and then screw your regulator knob up slowly until you reach dispensing pressure - probably around 10psi.

13. Turn the tap on and have a beer.

So Shindiger, hope that helps. Lot of detail there so I'm really hoping you have cubes! If not, post back here and the process can be adjusted to your equipment. Also post back here if anything is unclear.

Cheers
PP
 
yep lay on side and rock backwards and forwards

My method is a little different, i bring pressure up to 60psi, turn of gas then shake until reg shows 20psi, then repeat if two carbonated then

shake for 60sec turn up right way and release gas, do this as much as needed for correct carbonation

anyway way to many methods
 

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