Is Obama's carpet big enough to sweep this under.

[idzy]

First of all let me say that I'm an ex-serviceman trained in the correct & safe use/storage of fire arms. I don't currently own a firearm. Do I believe we should be allowed to own (not carry) firearms.......Yes I do. I also believe there should be strict rules & regulations around such allowances. Do I think guns are the problem?..........Hell no!!!!! I'm sure that if I was that type of person, I could run down Queen St. Mall in Brisbane holding a screwdriver, & kill a heap of people before someone took me down. The bottom line is "Guns don't kill people......People do". Gun ownership just has to be manage properly. The way Howard did it after Port Arthur, while well intentioned, took the guns off the wrong people. i.e: The law abiding people. The criminals/underworld still get their hands on high powered automatic, or concealable firearms. I wish I knew the answer but I don't. I do know that taking guns off everyone, only takes them off those who would never have used them illegally anyway.
Just my two bobs worth.

What Howard did was take what was a legally available firearm and make it illegal. Then proceeded to take them out of peoples hands. Martin Bryant didn't obtain the firearm illegally and wouldn't be able to commit the same offense now. It is easy to say, oh you can go and get illegal firearms. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't know where to get one personally and imagine many are the same, therefore when someone flies off the handle, they only have access to a bolt action, or other, but not a semi-auto.

 

[manticle]

Screwdriver.
Yep. Good one.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I know you're being facetious, but having nukes has largely worked out pretty well for the countries that have them.

We're talking about individual people, not countries. I wasn't being facetious so much as extending his logic to to an extreme to illustrate the point.
If every country only had one firearm each...

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Put it this way, for your analogy to stand, ISIS would have access to nukes. They don't. And neither should disenfranchised teenagers or disgruntled religious fanatics have access to firearms.

 

[manticle]

How about screwdrivers?
Can do a lot of damage with an allen key. **** you up real good, especially a 3/8"

 

[Liam_snorkel]

If a man comes at you with a banana..

 

[manticle]

Careful dem raspberries.
Carry a ring spanner at all times.

Failing that simply pull the lever and a sixteen ton should fall on their head.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

If a man comes at you with a banana..

You can buy these weapons from any farmers market, they just need a bit of modifying.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Yes there will always be people who will/want to kill other people for no logical reason

Now a gun for a criminal here is a lot harder to get than a gun in the USA for a criminal


As to Howards buy back, I know lots of blokes who handed in old ****** weapons and got enough to buy new guns.. Mate handed a few old dead guns and got enough to buy a full stainless Tikka .17

PVC pipe sales when up a touch as well

 

[jlm]

How the **** do you manage to run down Queen St Mall holding a vodka + orange and kill heaps of people?

 

[Dave70]

Yes there will always be people who will/want to kill other people for no logical reason

Now a gun for a criminal here is a lot harder to get than a gun in the USA for a criminal


As to Howards buy back, I know lots of blokes who handed in old ****** weapons and got enough to buy new guns.. Mate handed a few old dead guns and got enough to buy a full stainless Tikka .17

PVC pipe sales when up a touch as well

Ahh..
You see to the layman, the tray of a plumbers ute just looks like hotchpotch of pipe off cuts, glue tins, fittings and the odd rusty water heater.
But to the trained eye its actually an armaments repository.
In less than the time it takes to drink a stubbie I could be hurling lemons or potatoes (correctly sized) in your (general) direction, some containing heart attack inducing invoice warheads.
Can be easily adapted to fire a pigs trotter wrapped in a pornographic magazine sabot should islamac state want to try it on.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Plumbers have always been known as just a front to arms manufacture and distribution

 

[Dave70]

Look for a spike in sales of metal detectors to I reckon. I bet a whole bunch of those beer coaster treasure maps where X marks the PVC have been lost or are now illegible.
Australia a big place. And one tree or rocky outcrop looks much the same as the next.

 

[manticle]

You can buy these weapons from any farmers market, they just need a bit of modifying.

I would buy one

 

[sponge]

Plumbers have always been known as just a front to arms manufacture and distribution

 

[Mattress]

The police investigation into the shooting of Curtis Cheng at Parramatta police station in October has revealed that the fuckwits who took part had spent at least 7 months trying to get a gun.

7 MONTHS TO GET A GUN!

I'd say our gun laws are working.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3272062/Police-knew-young-men-investigated-teenager-Farhad-Jabar-shot-dead-police-worker-Parramatta-trying-source-gun-March.html

 

[tavas]

Ahh..
You see to the layman, the tray of a plumbers ute just looks like hotchpotch of pipe off cuts, glue tins, fittings and the odd rusty water heater.
But to the trained eye its actually an armaments repository.
In less than the time it takes to drink a stubbie I could be hurling lemons or potatoes (correctly sized) in your (general) direction, some containing heart attack inducing invoice warheads.
Can be easily adapted to fire a pigs trotter wrapped in a pornographic magazine sabot should islamac state want to try it on.

Good luck getting a team of plumbers to to fight terrorists. First they'd need a $150 call out fee, arrive 3 hours late then say they need to order parts and not come back for 4 weeks.
And trying to coordinate more than 2 tradies on the same day...forget it!!

 

[Dave70]

You can buy these weapons from any farmers market, they just need a bit of modifying.

Easily foiled.

 

[Dave70]

Good luck getting a team of plumbers to to fight terrorists. First they'd need a $150 call out fee, arrive 3 hours late then say they need to order parts and not come back for 4 weeks.
And trying to coordinate more than 2 tradies on the same day...forget it!!

Cash. No receipt. Lets roll.

 

[Bridges]

Wow and here I was thinking that the plumbers arsenal started and stopped at a paper bag full of acetylene.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Good luck getting a team of plumbers to to fight terrorists. First they'd need a $150 call out fee, arrive 3 hours late then say they need to order parts and not come back for 4 weeks.
And trying to coordinate more than 2 tradies on the same day...forget it!!

MATE....your doing it all wrong. You need to get wise to the underworld of tradies......


You need to start at the pub first...after about 5pm. No tradie ever is late to the pub

 

[Black Devil Dog]

If a man comes at you with a banana..

Easily foiled.

I suppose a ladyboy is technically a man...

 

[Dave70]

If a man comes at you with a banana..

I suppose a ladyboy is technically a man...

That's why I always keep a ladyboy in my glove box.




*Top Tip* - drill some ventilation holes and put some shredded newspaper down.

 

[pcmfisher]

I would not know where to source an illegal gun in Australia and I reckon few would.

I doubt if you could go and ask at your local pub.

I like the idea that the average person under 25 years old in Australia has probably never even seen a gun let alone fired one.

 

[sponge]

I saw a movie with a gun in it once..

Didn't care for it.

 

[Dave70]

I saw a movie with a gun in it once..

Didn't care for it.

A mate use to own a SKS. Basically a cheap Russian assault rifle. Noisy and inaccurate, basically only good for blasting rounds as quick as you could squeeze the trigger.
The full jacket military surplus ammo was cheaper than chips and we all use to chuck in and take boxes of the **** away - some was even destined for machine gunning apparently since you had remove the rounds from the canvas webbing.
May not be everyone's cuppa, but it was most certainly mine. Even my little unreliable Stirling .22 auto was a hoot. Never failed to put a smile the face of the user, particularly first timers. Mindless noisy fun. But hey, I like wheelies and burnouts and jet motors to, so if the shoe fits I guess.

Despite that, I'm glad they banned them. What's right is right. And it only took basically two massacres, Strathfield and Port Arthur and a total of 43 dead for authorities to get the message.

 

[Feldon]

How to sneak a chocolate bar into an American cinema...

 

[manticle]

And it only took basically two massacres, Strathfield and Port Arthur and a total of 43 dead for authority's to get the message.

+ Hoddle st
+Queen st
etc

 

[TheWiggman]

I like the idea that the average person under 25 years old in Australia has probably never even seen a gun let alone fired one.

Why? Average people aren't crims. I think having used and having respect for firearms is a good thing.

 

[manticle]

I'm glad most people probably never get to touch a cold cut saw considering how they operate vehicles.