as responded to in email, there is information in the above I have never been told. I appreciate the work you guys have put into expanding your brand and the clear respect you have from members here. I'll cease and desist with any negative posts and will look forward to seeing your quote on the next BB. It would be a good opportunity to jump in again as ATHB have indicated that they will likely not host another so that leaves a bit of a gap to fill. do the kegs get cheaper if they are un-branded?