Home Brewer Stats / Numbers?

[jonocarroll]

And QB: get back to work!

Make me.

<goes back to writing research articles>

 

[Nick JD]

So we can expect them to stop selling flour so they can sell more cake mixes?

Yes.

Look at the ratio of raw ingredients sold in a supermarket in 1975 compared to now. At this rate, raw foods will become a "speciality" item by 2050.

How many items in the supermarket have one ingredient on the pack?

It's all about value-adding and the fat, busy, tired consumer.

 

[brettprevans]

AHB member increase stats are on AHB board info section.
Or maybe do a search.

 

[trustyrusty]

a/ There is no data here on what you are looking into. There may be opinions, but no data.
b/ Though I would be terribly surprised to find that absolutely no data exists on the number of homebrewers or the subject you are asking about, if that is the case, what do you expect to learn by asking for data?
c/ Research (v): attempt to find out in a systematically and scientific manner; (n) systematic investigation to establish fact; Asking for opinions on the facts is not research. Had you posted to a bureau-of-statistics forum or even a marketing forum, perhaps you might have been able to find someone doing the research, but you will not find the data there either.
d/ Of course a journo isn't going to be knowledgeable in every subject, but perhaps rather than scrambling together an article that makes it look like they do know the ins-and-outs, they should either leave the writing to someone who does, or just *report* on the facts rather than present them.
e/ If it is a new topic, then compiling the loosely-gathered data without knowing the subject is an exercise in either futility or uber-mainstream-media-fluff-piece-writing.

I hope that what you meant to say when you first started posting is along the lines of

"I am writing an article on the (possible) rise in popularity of home brewing. I would like your opinions on this topic."

Rather than 'what is the answer - please do my homework for me'.

Personally, I would love to see an article on the topic proposed, but not if it didn't tell me anything I could believe, or if it was a fleshed-out bunch of interviews of brewers saying 'yes', 'no', and 'well up here on the north side of the island where ALDI has DME on special on Thursdays which is good because I usually go for my walk past the shops on the way to the local pub where I can get a decent beer most of the time and after which I go for a walk down on the beach... brewing is good'.

[From a research-writing pedant who spends a lot of time doing research/writing up research/reading Bad Science and pointing out errors in scientific writings].

@QuantumBrewer


Why do you always get these smart ar*** in the world ....

Instead of trying to help me, you have to show everyone how clever you are and rip me apart, I am only trying to promote your industry...

any publicity is good publicity I heard....

but you are a research student or something..


if you were that smart you should probably not drink alcohol...

what are you doing here?

 

[jonocarroll]

Why do you always get these smart ar*** in the world ....

I know, right? Like I keep seeing these lazy people everywhere expecting someone else to do their work for them. Crazy.

Instead of trying to help me, you have to show everyone how clever you are and rip me apart,

As I've tried to point out, you won't get the data you're after here. It is not here.

Maybe, just maybe, you should have opened with 'I'm writing a research/newspaper/whatever article' rather than 'I am [for all you know] a brewer and I have these questions'...

I am only trying to promote your industry...

any publicity is good publicity I heard....

Yeah, I stand to lose millions if you don't promote it properly.

If you insist on getting data from this forum, you will have opinion [ranging from vague to obsessive] from home brewers. That is not 'is homebrew becoming more popular' or 'is there an increase'? You may as well ask flu patients if medications are becoming more effective. All you really have is the increase in popularity with each of those people.

Then again, if you want to write that article - my interest in home brew started around age 18, and has been increasing steadily since. 100% of me has enjoyed the craft so far.

but you are a research student or something..

Yeah, damn me and my actual research. Truth be told, I spent most of my postgraduate time asking about stuff on forums instead of actually looking it up or researching it myself.

what are you doing here?

Discussing brewing, mostly. What are you doing here?

 

[Nick JD]

If you hit the google "search" button twice really quickly, is that re-search?

 

[Hatchy]

If you hit the google "search" button twice really quickly, is that re-search?

It's probably a double search I reckon. We should really go to google school to find out for sure.

I'd also like to get all of my AHB posts translated into binary code. Leather bound if possible.

 

[michael_aussie]

Perhaaps next census, instead of writing Jedi in the religion section, we could all write craft beer?
Cheers SJ

now that's a good idea .... I've been a Jedi Knight and a Satanist in the past. A "home brewer" is a great religion. We may even get a tax free status like the other kooky ones..... Mormons, Scientology

Articles are dead easy to write. First two paragraphs need to set the scene but in a way that the reader wouldn't have a frigging clue what it's about so has to keep reading and reading, then the penny drops half way through so they just keep reading your article anyway. If you state the subject of the article up front, half of them will just read the first sentence then go no further. Nat Geo and "Lifestyle" supplements in the Weekend papers are masters of this.

Shit Poor Style:

HOME BREW INCREASING.
Latest figures confirm that home brewed beer now accounts for 15 percent of the beer market in Australia, with approximately 250,000 Australians stating that they brewed at least five batches in 2010.... booorrringgg


Perfect Article Style:

HOPPING TO IT IN WORT TOWN NEAR YOU

The small terrier rushes out excitedly to greet the newcomers. Men of all ages, most carrying mysterious packages and somewhat ambiguous shiny object are descending on a garage - maybe near you. Saturday Morning and you could be forgiven for thinking that this leafy street was Chardonnay Central - after all the jumble of Monier Tiled roofs and perfectly manicured lawns is pregnant with the promise of a late afternoon Barbeque, the SUVs scattering - wife driven - to the nearest shoppingtown to pick up perhaps a six bottle special of Cuvee Naturelle or a naughty red to share over the canapes and butterflied BBQ lamb leg.. the tulip glasses already arrayed ... but you would be surprised blah blah blah

BribieG -- love it.

Nor strong analogies.

bum ... you're sometimes a ******* ..... but I love your comments!!

Or you buying your wife a vibrating dildo. Self-defeating.

now there's someone who knows analogies!!

btw == good luck with your article == post a link here when it gets published.

 

[jonocarroll]

It's probably a double search I reckon. We should really go to google school to find out for sure.

I'd also like to get all of my AHB posts translated into binary code. Leather bound if possible.

Are you sure? You get the leather binding, I'll start printing. $1 per page of course.

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[WarmBeer]

Binary representation of ascii codes, pfffft...

Unicode encoding FTW, double your money!

Are you sure? You get the leather binding, I'll start printing. $1 per page of course.

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[Lecterfan]

A question to all those who know something (or convincingly pretend) about the economy, markets, business etc etc (all the things a lefty-commo-pinko-lezzo like me is too ignorant to learn about but is happy to complain about):

-let us hypothetically assume that homebrew has risen significantly (at alpha .05 pedants) over the last 10 years, with another significant spike in the last 2 years. What are the ramifications for homebrewers? Does availbility of produce increase? Does the price of all things related increase? Does it attract Government attention and new regulations restricting home brewing?

We are way OT anyway so I would be interested to hear the opinions of those versed in the ways of the bull and the bear...

 

[bum]

Instead of trying to help me, you have to show everyone how clever you are and rip me apart, I am only trying to promote your industry...

If you read what he is saying (and equally what pretty much everyone else has said so far) he is completely right (even if you're not enjoying his tone). You aren't going to get the information you want here - all you're going to get is stories about why people brew (and even then it doesn't seem to me as though you're getting a broad enough experience being related to be useful in any way at all). The statistics just aren't here (if they are anywhere at all). The homebrew shops mentioned previously are most likely the busiest in the country and if you can get them to give you any info it will be the most useful to extrapolate (if you could be bothered, of course).

 

[boingk]

I'm with the idea to put our religion on the next census form as 'Homebrewer'. It'd definitely get a mention in the national Australian Stats publication.

Cheers - boingk

 

[EK]

@QuantumBrewer


Why do you always get these smart ar*** in the world ....

Instead of trying to help me, you have to show everyone how clever you are and rip me apart, I am only trying to promote your industry...

any publicity is good publicity I heard....

but you are a research student or something..


if you were that smart you should probably not drink alcohol...

what are you doing here?

Yeah, QuantumBrewer is such a smart arse. How dare he have a go at you for doing shoddy research, just so that you can put some cobbled together article with no actual figures.

Why don't you contact Coppers or Morgans and ask them about the data that you want. They would have actual sales figures, not just guesses made by people on a forum. (Though there may be some people here who can do more than guess, though I haven't seen them make comment).

Also, where the hell do you get off? You come on to a forum and ask for solid data...are you nuts? Then you get all pissed off because someone calls you out for shitty research methods. Bugger off and leave our forum for what it is for...a discussion on home brewing, not on doing someone else's statistical research for a media article.

 

[unrealeous]

Binary representation of ascii codes, pfffft...

Unicode encoding FTW, double your money!

Pathetic... try base64 encoding

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[fawnroux]

-let us hypothetically assume that homebrew has risen significantly (at alpha .05 pedants) over the last 10 years, with another significant spike in the last 2 years. What are the ramifications for homebrewers? Does availbility of produce increase? Does the price of all things related increase? Does it attract Government attention and new regulations restricting home brewing?

Ahhh, economics, my other passion

To put it basically, the laws of supply and demand would be at work here. If there would be in increase in the number of homebrewers purchasing said products, then initially we could assume that as there would be more demand for the product, prices would rise. This is because there are more people wanting to buy the same amount of product (ie the current supply chain can only supply so much) and they bid up the prices. The evil capitalist LHBS operators enjoy larger profits and twirl their curly moustaches. What would happen now is, enterprising homebrewers would recognise the need for more product and see the profits being made and say to themselves "I'll have me some of that thanks". They would then open new homebrew shop, online purchasing, etc and the supply of products would increase. As they are all in competition, old guard and new, they will cut prices in the hope of retaining/attracting consumers. This would lead to a price fall. Many things can now happen - eg, more homebrewers enter the market, starting the scenario all over. Or maybe some operators close up shop as it's not worth the time for the lower profits, which would mean prices rise again, etc and so on.

As for the government, I doubt they would care too much. To much time and effort to tax homebrewers. It would only be if homwbrewing overtook the beer market to the extent that big brew companies would get pissed off. They would then give campaign donations on the proviso that the government do something about it. Government would then decree that HB is dangerous, not regulated, encourages heavy drinking, alcholism and contributes to Global Climate Disruption. Or something along those lines. <_<

Dave

 

[bum]

twirl their curly moustaches.

Loved it.

 

[wakkatoo]

ahh, goddammit! I just read the last 3 pages <_<

 

[Leigh]

Excellent work Dave...twisted into all of that is the rising price of commercial beer, driving consumers to something cheaper...the "willingness to pay" driver changes when people driven to homebrew by lower prices realise they get better quality for the homebrew...

or something along those lines...my economics is very limited lol

 

[Lecterfan]

Excellent work. So I can rest easy, as you believe there will be equilibrium due to the reciprocity of rising demand and rising competition?

As for the Gov side of things, I hope you're right and that home brewing remains primarily underground and untouched by unnecassary regulation.

Cheers - it is something I have been pondering since this post first appeared.