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JDW81

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Maybe we should have listened to the Simpsons.
 

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Heard a rumour the great wall of china has been sold to some billionaire in Americia..
 

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I suspect Trump's wall will be more akin to the Berlin Wall
 

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lets take a look at some of trumps "policies"....

End crime: "The crime and violence … will soon, and I mean very soon, will come to an end"........sounds easy..

Reduce gun violence by empowering law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves......hmmm

Appoint new supreme court judges who "will be pro-life, they will have a conservative bent, they will be protecting the second amendment"

Scrap the Affordable Care Act,.........i think that he means if you cannot afford to live, stop living.

Says public funding of abortion providers is "an insult to people of conscience"

"Fix America's mental health system," which he says will prevent many mass shootings......again so simple

Implement "reforms to add millions of new jobs"........such assss?

Reduce the top tax bracket from 39.6 per cent to 33 per cent

Cut the corporate tax rate from 35 per cent to 15 per cent

Submit a new budget to rebuild America's "depleted military"

Work with other countries to cut off funding to ISIS.......arnt they already doing that?

Speak to North Korea to try and stop their nuclear program,....?can you guys please stop that."
 

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Consumer prices and fictitious walls are one thing... but he is commander in chief of the military force that protects Australia in this region.

I suspect (yet still hope) his military advisors / admirals / marshals are ready to influence Trump as need be
 

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GalBrew said:
You're not wrong, but I'm not entirely sure how electing a narcissistic, ego driven billionaire as president is going to help these people? I'll be grateful if at the end of his presidency we haven't slipped into WW3, a nuclear winter or economic depression. Middle America think they have things bad now? Not sure 'The Donald' has anyone's interests at heart other than his own.
^^ This.
I agree with what FJ said, but as GalBrew then points out, I really don't see how this puffed-up, narcissistic billionaire, who's never had to live a day in his life without extreme wealth, is going to either understand the plight of the "working man" or provide any real solutions to the deep, long-term problems the U.S. faces. I'm hoping he might be decent at renegotiating some aspects of policy that clearly need reworking, but his history suggests he tends to focus on the immediate "deal" at hand irrespective on the longer term. That doesn't bode well for many important aspects of running a country, particularly foreign policy and international military coalitions. Maybe he'll use his reputation to just take a tougher negotiating stance to help garner a "better deal" for the U.S. while ultimately still maintaining strong (military) ties. But I have my doubts. Eg: I'm curious how the South China Sea situation is going to develop. Maybe it'll be like the king of England extracting a tithe from his vassals for the protection he provides? Time will tell.

My other big concern is that he seems to somehow encourage belligerent white Christian males to feel legitimized in expressing and reinforcing their sexism, racism, and bigotry.
Again, I hope he'll address that and somehow negate it. Again, I doubt it. Otherwise it seems like it'll be a massive step back for US culture.

And more distressingly it seems to similarly legitimize those same douchebags here.
 

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Zorco said:
Consumer prices and fictitious walls are one thing... but he is commander in chief of the military force that protects Australia in this region.

I suspect (yet still hope) his military advisors / admirals / marshals are ready to influence Trump as need be
Yeah, it is a worry when his marketing people take away his access to his own Twitter account, yet now he controls access to nuclear weapons.

Regardless, the USA is financially bankrupt, just not acknowledged as such. His statements on building a wall was total BS, he cannot start an infrastructure task like that without approval of senate/congress, so that won't happen. His control of foreign policy and connections with Russia is where the rest of the world should be really concerned.
 

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There won't be any change he won't make America great again he will be another republican puppet...I hope.
 

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Brownsworthy said:
There won't be any change he won't make America great again he will be another republican puppet...I hope.
I'd be inclined to disagree, I think there'll be big changes...

Whether they're good or bad, we'll have to wait and see............. :ph34r: :ph34r:
 

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Oh. And it's always worth remembering over the next 4-8 years that if it wasn't for Comey and his announced investigation last week, Hillary most likely would've won - it shifted the polls by ~10 points within a day, and Trump only won by a margin of a few points in most key states.

Interesting how the election may've been decided by the actions of one man. Totally not dubious.

Or you could point the finger a that guy Weiner, and his weiner. Amazing how much his penchant for showing off his weiner has poisoned the lives of those around him and may've condemned America to a terrible fate.
... Or his wife who really should've kicked him to the gutter years ago. Can you imagine how bad she must be feeling now! Maybe that's a lesson for everyone (esp the girls) out there: don't put up with dickhead partners, you never know how dire the consequences of sticking by and putting up with them may one day be! (That's def not to blame her, by the way. More just pointing out how terrible she's probably feeling for not ditching the guy that might've cost Hillary the presidency)
 

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Hillary is easily the most corrupt politician seen in many decades. The shadows hanging over her were way too much for many voters. Yet MSM and her plethora of financial backers did everything in its power to get her over the line.

Trump on the other hand won the presidency when the whole establishment, his own party, the MSM, amongst others were all against him. A great achievement really.
 

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At the statistical analysis website 538.org, Andrew Flowers posted a map yesterday that I would link, but today 365 seems to have buried it under an avalanche of post-election commentary.

There were two maps of electoral districts, one showing the percentage of jobs lost to China (according to one econometric analysis), the other the Trump vote. The association is very strong if you disregard states like Alabama and West Virginia that are too deeply Republican for any pattern to be discernible. But Trump is only part of the reaction to globalisation.

Love today's interviews. Pauline Hanson's joy is unbounded. Malcolm T said all the proper things despite the sutures and steam revealing where his head was exploding.
 

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sunovagun said:
Hillary is easily the most corrupt politician seen in many decades. The shadows hanging over her were way too much for many voters. Yet MSM and her plethora of financial backers did everything in its power to get her over the line.

Trump on the other hand won the presidency when the whole establishment, his own party, the MSM, amongst others were all against him. A great achievement really.
Yest and no about shadows, but you're parroting the rightwing attack machine.

A disclaimer: I have never supported Hillary. In 2008 I caucused for Richardson in Iowa. In this year's election I wrote in Elizabeth Warren.

Most corrupt politician in decades? I'd agree Hillary comes across as insincere, that she flipflops, that as senator she did the bidding of Wall Street backers, but holy hyperbole, you're calling Trump honest. Ever hear of Dick Cheney?

Re the media, they're not monolithic. Hillary had the Washington Post, the New York Times, Huffington and more. I could go on and on, but add that in the election campaign Trump had behind him the Murdoch press, Breitbart and other conspiracy-selling sites, radio shock jocks and more. All the media consistently gave him more free publicity than his opponents. He has said all publicity is good, and he played accordingly. Those are not good qualities in a national leader, but the so-called MSM did much to make Trump.
 

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sunovagun said:
Hillary is easily the most corrupt politician seen in many decades. The shadows hanging over her were way too much for many voters. Yet MSM and her plethora of financial backers did everything in its power to get her over the line.

Trump on the other hand won the presidency when the whole establishment, his own party, the MSM, amongst others were all against him. A great achievement really.
For her plethora of shortcomings, Clinton is at boasts 40 plus years of political experience, high level of academic achievement and diplomatic skills. Trump is a average smarts with a BA in economics (cough) and zero political pedigree. You may as well have Kim Kardishian in office. You cant just tell other world leaders to go **** themselves when they dont see it your way, this isn't reality TV. Words have consequences in the big leagues.
Trump appeals to the politically naive who believe the way to fix something is to swing a wrecking ball through it.
 

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I bet the Democrats are kicking themselves for not pushing Bernie more he is a saint compared to Hillary and Trump.
 

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Brownsworthy said:
I bet the Democrats are kicking themselves for not pushing Bernie more he is a saint compared to Hillary and Trump.
An crusty ex-socialist peacenik Jew? Thats unpossible.
 

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