this thread is soooo interesting! so many varying opinions about grand ridge.well...heres mine! Its really been hit and miss.I"ve never had a moonshine or supershine to complain about.Maybe the dark grains and all the flavour cover up any faults,But the rest have been a bit dodgy, to say the least.I"ve tried them from a local beer store and fresh at the brewery and theres not much difference.An infection is definitely there,maybe showing up more noticably after time.I was there last Febuary for beerfest and on Saturday night nearly everyone went down to the pub in the centre of town for a beer and a game of pool.Because they had Coopers in stubbies! does that say something or what? :beerbang: