Goodbye Bronwyn

[Ducatiboy stu]

Ever thought about working in politics?

Oh dear god, please no

 

[seamad]

Those pommy *******s got a bonus point in the last minute against Fiji. Fiji played pretty well in the first half, bit nervy, hopefully the wallabies can pull off a bonus point win too.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Ever thought about working in politics?

I think that politics would be easier, I didn't realise that The Australian Skeptical Society were all home brewers.

Your fist statement is actually confirming that the train drivers strike is over money Metro offers 17% they want 18%.

No, its more about conditions

Your second statement, anyone with half a brain would have known the $140,000 was plucked from the top end of the scale and given to the Herald Sun, $90,000 is what the union say is the base rate, so what is your point.

You say conditions, I say concessions.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I think that politics would be easier, I didn't realise that The Australian Skeptical Society were all home brewers.

You say conditions, I say concessions.

Well at first you where basically about the money

You still havent said how much they earn.

You rhetoric is slipping

 

[sponge]

Potato, potata

 

[malt and barley blues]

I don't think anyone minds what the train drivers earn. $90,000 as the base rate is fair enough, as is the 17% a fair and generous offer, NEGOTIATION, means just that, each side has to give something, Metro is providing the folding, and the train drivers through their union must make concessions. Expecting to receive a pay rise just as a matter of course isn't on, and neither is calling a strike while negotiations are still in progress.

And when that strikes interferes with other peoples livelihood, and their right to earn money, then they just show them selves for what they are, they don't give a damn for anyone but themselves.

Thats how much they earn read the top line.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Thats how much they earn read the top line.

I doubt they all earn $90k

Show me the link/proof that is what they earn

 

[malt and barley blues]

Jim Chrystostomou, assistant secretary of the union’s locomotive division, said,the base rate is $90,000, not $140,000, a fair amount of OT would have to be worked to get to that figure.

A transport industry source said drivers often ran businesses on the side, had multiple properties and expensive cars supported by the high wages and low hours the job provided.

Are you sure you are reading the posts stu, I had to paste and copy the above, if I had put the link in from The Australian all that would have come up is notice asking to sign up for the digital edition.

 

[wobbly]

Manticle

I'm not going to argue/debate political ideology with you in a faceless forum.
You have your views and I have mine and I doubt we will convince each other to adopt a different view or perspective.
For the record my views are basically right of center Liberal and I have some strong views on how some aspects of multiculturism will be the demise of the Australian culture which in my view is based on European Christian Values

Now back to the Train Driver and general Union Rorting!!!

Wobbly

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Are you sure you are reading the posts stu, I had to paste and copy the above, if I had put the link in from The Australian all that would have come up is notice asking to sign up for the digital edition.

So you put in a snip from a newspaper. ( A news corp one at that ). Nice try but hardly credible, reliable or truthful.

Where is your actual proof of what they really earn

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

For the record my views are basically right of center Liberal and I have some strong views on how some aspects of multiculturism will be the demise of the Australian culture which in my view is based on European Christian Values


Wobbly

Multiculturism IS Australian culture

Remeber the influx on Chinesse gold miners, the immigration of Italians and Greeks, the Vietnamiese after the war.....the Kiwi's in the 80's...

Not many White European Christians in that lot

If it was not for them we would be eating meat & 3 veg with a Roast on Sunday and laying back thinking of England

 

[malt and barley blues]

So you put in a snip from a newspaper. ( A news corp one at that ). Nice try but hardly credible, reliable or truthful.

Where is your actual proof of what they really earn

It was an interview with the union secretary where he answered to the article in the Herald Sun, the newspaper regardless of which one only reports what it is told, if you think it is not reliable or truthful then you are saying that union rep is a liar take it up with the union rep who gave the interview.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Those pommy *******s got a bonus point in the last minute against Fiji. Fiji played pretty well in the first half, bit nervy, hopefully the wallabies can pull off a bonus point win too.

Now here is a test case for the AHRC be an interesting one, a QLD rag copped a huge fine for saying, "dirty poms" could end up with a huge fine here as well.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

It was an interview with the union secretary where he answered to the article in the Herald Sun, the newspaper regardless of which one only reports what it is told, if you think it is not reliable or truthful then you are saying that union rep is a liar take it up with the union rep who gave the interview.

My mistake. I could never go against the truthfulness of a Newscorp journalist.

Glad newspapers only report what they "have been told" and dont make **** up as in the case of the newspaper article that drivers earn $140k

If you believe everything in the newspaper than you probably think Tony Abbott was our greatest PM

 

[malt and barley blues]

My mistake. I could never go against the truthfulness of a Newscorp journalist.

Glad newspapers only report what they "have been told" and dont make **** up as in the case of the newspaper article that drivers earn $140k

If you believe everything in the newspaper than you probably think Tony Abbott was our greatest PM

Do you have trouble understanding posts, THEY ARE THE UTTERING'S OF A UNION DELEGATE.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Do you have trouble understanding that not everything you read in the newspapers is actual verbatim fact

Ever heard of journalists cherry picking comments to make a story

Never get the truth get in the way of a good story B)

 

[wobbly]

Ducatiboy Stu

You are up to your old tricks of not reading and understanding what is being stated - I said - "some aspects of multiculturism"

I don't have issue with other nationalities coming to Australia nor do I have issue with them undertaking their cultural beliefs, dress code, religion etc, my issue is when they don't try to assimilate and require us the host country to change our behaviour and is some instances laws under the guise of not to do so is deemed to be discrimination

The Chinese, Greeks, Vietnamiese, Europeans and even the Kiwi's have all assimilated into our culture without issue but some of those coming today don't and wont

Just as with my home coming to Australia "entry is a privilege not a right"

Wobbly

 

[Leviathan]

What do you mean by assimilate? What examples can you give where the country has had to change laws or our behavior?

 

[manticle]

Become one with the white.

 

[malt and barley blues]

I think what Wobbly means is immigrants coming into this country will assimilate to Australian culture, which they eventually do, some change quickly others through generations, I expect if we look closely there would be amended laws, like a Sikh not having to wear a crash helmet on a bicycle so I suspect their would be others.