Goodbye Bronwyn

[SBOB]

How, on earth (here in Aus) can raising the gst be good. Its just a sign that we are ******? On the current path. Isn't it?

if its raised without re-adjusting or correcting other taxes, then yes... we are '******'

but when it comes to tax reform, no one in government seems to have the balls to actually make decisions

 

[SBOB]

My long winded point being... We could do all of this with a smartphone app.
Same sex marriage ..... Yes, no,abstain
Raise gst yes, no, abstain,

No expensive parliament or MPs, no elections, downside, no BBQ or lamington stalls.

Not interested, don't download the app

Something for everyone

Lemon

just because an opinion is 'popular' doesn't make it the right one... thats the only slightly 'minor' flaw in that idea

 

[Lemon]

Less flawed than the current system? I think not.
Do the incumbents, and as discussed, the pond scum that the gravy train attracts, vote on ideas, concepts, processes, because they are "right", or because they are popular and will get them Re-elected?
I'd say that we have a greater chance of getting the right result purely because the persons in the street are deciding on the issues.

More than once in this thread, it has been stated, they we are happy to pay more tax in order to get better services, to use an example. But the current system, means that the squeaky wheel, lobbyists, get the grease.

Oh yeah, let's stick with the current system, it gets the right result.

 

[manticle]

All well and good except occasionally I despair that the average person is actually dumb as *******.

Still - constituents are supposed to be represented in a democracy and a bit of conversation never hurt.

 

[Lemon]

Yes, a friend of mine says,
Remember half of the populations have below average intelligence and we make them vote.

Do you think that if we had voluntary voting, we would get more intelligent, or more biased, more interested, or "better" voters?

Or is that everybody voting, is a strength of our system?



Edit:spelling

 

[Dave70]

if its raised without re-adjusting or correcting other taxes, then yes... we are '******'

but when it comes to tax reform, no one in government seems to have the balls to actually make decisions

Thats exactly right. Lets extend the federal election cycle to a decade and see what happens. Seriously.

 

[manticle]

Voluntary voting is a major reason total arseholes get airtime in the US and the underprivileged are badly represented.

Not sure what the answer is. I don't think our system is particularly bad per se - just the range of personnel choices and the media influence on voters that could do with a shakeup.

 

[Lemon]

Both the U.S. And UK have voluntary voting, with both having different outcomes, ie on the surface the UK appears to have better little people protections.
Not saying one is better than The other, just different. Well I am saying one is better than the other.

I feel that the compulsory voting process is a better one.

How do we change the process whereby the people who want to be representatives are the ones least suitableto?

How do we put the "right" people for the task in the job, and let them do it? Because they don't want it now.

 

[goomboogo]

Thats exactly right. Lets extend the federal election cycle to a decade and see what happens. Seriously.

10 year fixed terms would be better than the 3 year, an election could be called anytime cycle we have now. I would like to see the House of Representatives go to fixed 6 year terms and full Senate elections be held at the same time.

 

[manticle]

**** ten years. Give them 3 months probation like a lot of workplaces. Perform or you're out, no pension till you serve a full term.

 

[Dave70]

10 year fixed terms would be better than the 3 year, an election could be called anytime cycle we have now. I would like to see the House of Representatives go to fixed 6 year terms and full Senate elections be held at the same time.

If you look at the drive train - 10 years / bumper to bumper - 5 years warranty on a Hyundai, those figures are pretty much on par.

did I mention I just got home from the pub?

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Yeah maybe not 10 year terms but I'm all in favour for some long term policy formulation. The Howard/Rudd/Gillard/Abbott era had been pretty divisive and bereft of long term goals (either by lack of vision or by being hamstrung by popularists). Siiigh.

 

[manticle]

Full term = 6 years.
Three months and six months probation.
After that the possibility of election yearly but no pension until full term in office completed.

Or people stop being individualistic, self serving arseholes.

 

[Dave70]

**** ten years. Give them 3 months probation like a lot of workplaces. Perform or you're out, no pension till you serve a full term.

Probation? A bunch of sycophants getting their work marked by a bunch of incumbents? Wheres ******* Don Chipp when you need him?

 

[manticle]

In my system, I'm doing the marking.

 

[Danscraftbeer]

Get yourselves on the ballat doods I'de vote for you. :beerbang:

 

[Brew Forky]

I wonder what would happen if you said the word Jehovah?

Can I get a witness!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZMX_57pExs

 

[Dave70]

Yeah he seems pretty impartial and says **** a bit so I'm happy to go along.
It takes more than that to win the heart of the Aussie voter though..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGgz9j7DsqM

 

[Dave70]

Can I get a witness!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZMX_57pExs

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaa c'mon now!!

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Funny how it's only ever white blokes crying about not being able to use the word '******'' anymore.

Funnier how it's mostly black people who use the word and white people who are most offended by it.