Gina looking for a long wall and a load of blindfolds.

[wide eyed and legless]

Manticle I do know recipients personally, and those I know are ripping off the system,I also know you don't like racism, but everyone is a racist, and it is how you handle it that counts, the people I know are not born and bred Aussies, but people who come here and, as far as they are concerned are to soft.

 

[Steve]

I applied for the dole last month (due to being made redundant in November) but because of the amount my wife earnt doing her part time job (which isn't enough to pay the mortgage) I wasn't deemed eligible to receive the $240 a fortnight benefit. I bet that fat ****** didn't struggle putting food on her table this evening.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Do any of you actually know any welfare recipients personally?
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I do. And I can tell you that they would rather not be on welfare. You get enough to survive and thats it. Even then its a battle.

And I dont know where all this talk of getting an inheritance comes from that we are supposed to be entittled to. Although its common knowledge she is stopping her kids from getting an inheritance, when she herself was the beneficiary of a somewhat large inheritance. One wonders if she is being antagonistic simply for the sake of it, especially after her $2hr rate statement

 

[manticle]

I meant the people cursing them all as dole bludgers Stu.

People on unemployment benefits make up a portion of welfare recipients as I tried to point out earlier. Of those , maybe there are a small portion of dole bludgers yet dole bludger and welfare recipient seem synonymous in so many people's minds. people forget diability, old age pension, whatever.

Sorry wide-eyed, I'm not quite sure what you mean or how the racism topic is relevant. You know some welfare recipients who rip off the system? I know some who don't. The small amount of my life I've relied on Austudy and the miniscule amount of time I received unemployment benefits (maybe 8 weeks all up), I didn't rip off the system either. What benefits do the people you know receive, how do they abuse it and how does that mean everyone receiving welfare is exactly the same? Like Stu said - most people receiving it would rather work for a lot more. Unfortunately not all of them can. I know a bloke who can move his fingers slightly and his neck a bit due to extreme cerebral palsy. Any suggestions on what that dole bludger should be doing for a living?

 

[zappa]

Do any of you actually know any welfare recipients personally?

I'm not a socialist either by the way WEAL.

I have known quite a few, and I can tell you my view is quite tarnished.

While there are plenty who are deserving and genuinely need a hand up, it's the ones that work the system that I remember most. The whole families that run cash businesses, then each collect a welfare payment every fortnight. The ones that live with friends, don't pay rent, but claim rental assistance. The ones that repeatedly turn up to their newly found job, stay for 15 minutes then quit because it "wasn't right for them", yet by turning up satisfy the requirements to keep receiving welfare. The ones that push for a referal to a psychologist so they can get a ticket that states they're not mentally fit for work and are then exempt from actively seeking for work or submitting forms for the next 6 to 12 months (and then brag about it). The ones that brag about only having to stay on the dole for another 6 months before centrelink finish paying for their heavy vehicle training. The ones that brag about getting $100 towards clothes eveytime they're "forced" to attend an interview.

It's these people that breed a culture around welfare and should be stopped. I'm not sure what percentage they make up, but I'm sure the cost of resourcing to investigate, monitor and eventually prosecute these people probably outweighs the cost of letting them be. The problem with that approach though is that it's a mentality that breeds (and often breeds fast).

Again, my view is tarnished based on what I've seen throughout my adult life. It still angers me though.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I applied for the dole last month (due to being made redundant in November) but because of the amount my wife earnt doing her part time job (which isn't enough to pay the mortgage) I wasn't deemed eligible to receive the $240 a fortnight benefit. I bet that fat ****** didn't struggle putting food on her table this evening.
Steve, yes I did read your post about being made redundant, but the thing is don't give up, take anything you can get, there is a way out of any predicament you may find yourself, keep a positive thought and you will get through any hard times that you will come across.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The cheats and bludgers are more the exception than the rule. They are no different to a business that decides to set up off shore because they dont want to pay tax, or bring in overseas workers and exploit them.

Now which ones are the easier target and which ones are actually getting the better deal by manipulating the system for finacial gain.....

 

[Rambo]

Either way you feel on the argument, the real problem is that Gina Rinehart's opinion on the matter is worthy of news and is listened to by others (including those in power). Just because she inherited a ***** load of money.

Those with money have the power to influence decisions which will help make them more money and therefore more power.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Manticle the person I know for an instance is Lebanese, he has two milk bars and 2 restaurants and is collecting welfare, I also know of two brothers who are Bulgarian, they were detained as being illegal immigrants but released, in four years they have bought 4 houses and paid cash, but never worked, they are growing dope in S.A.
I had a Chinese who was working for me, I sponsored him but there was a glitch regarding his final examination a bribe was paid to the immigration officer and was given a permanent residency visa.
He was also in receipt of bogus credit cards and offered to put them through my NAB machine,I declined the offer and reported it to my NAB manager, **** off he said, we are covered for fraud by what we are paying for using a C.C

 

[shaunous]

What I wanna know is how the *** these dole bludgers have enough money to drink all day every day. Stu and Brewmatt being Grafton lads will know, if u drive past the 2 pubs in Grafton on Pound Street anytime after 1030am, both pubs are packed with the same people everyday and I'm not talking a few people, I'm talking 30+ at each pub every day! how the *** do they afford it. I know I couldn't on my single wage, how do I get on said dole???

Also having 2 good mates owning a real estate agency here in town, they quite often get into trouble taking the piss outa the 'bludgers' rorting the system, 60%+ of there rental role is disability pensions with nothing physically wrong with them, or single parent pensions who blatantly come into their office with there partner.

Rant Over...

 

[Rambo]

There are a few people on the dole that work the system to get money they shouldn't, this pisses me off.

There are few millionaires who work the system so that they don't have to pay tax, this also pisses me off. A lot more.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Well she could start by employing australian workers instead of importing overseas workers.

LOL....you used Australian and workers in the same sentence!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

One of those pubs lets the drinkers book up, but they never pay...... Have heard from a reliable source that he cant even afford to stock his fridges with take away beer. And the blokes who drink there are also in the ...shall we say... fresh herb market....

 

[shaunous]

Yes but the millionaires are mostly relying on their accountants and tax agents, so they can only get any with so much. It's not the routing of the system they do, it's the ability to have money to but more here and their to claim more here and their and afford accountants who are really good at their job, which u and me will not get, as the average accountant is as good as anyone with Google and Microsoft excel.

 

[Bribie G]

I'm a welfare recipient, age pensioner, and like 40% of baby boomers I have no assets. I have owned two houses and wives got both, along with a fair whack of my super, predominantly because I decided to be a good guy. More fool me.

I have paid taxes all my life, have only had around a year on the dole as such and feel I now should receive the promises given to me by the government, that I would be looked after.

shaunous, I'd bet that the "bludgers" you refer to probably appear to be well off because their kids are fed on dollar bread and two minute noodles, they receive stolen goods and deal in Ganja on the side. These are the visible minority of welfare recipients who stand out like a sore thumb, and your post says it all ... these are the ones you see when you drive past so they are in your face.

My partner is part aboriginal and I can assure you that for every drunk ***** you see in a park or on the so called news, there are many more in jobs and living a decent life. I attended an aboriginal wedding with 300 guests a couple of years ago, all were employed, arrived in late model cars and only five, yes five, guests were drinking alcohol. And that was xxxx gold.

Unfortunately the media only present those drunk ****** and those bludgers, who do exist, so it's hard for anyone to get a true handle on the real situation. Suits Abbott, Gina, Murdoch and Pell just fine.

 

[shaunous]

One of those pubs lets the drinkers book up, but they never pay...... Have heard from a reliable source that he cant even afford to stock his fridges with take away beer. And the blokes who drink there are also in the ...shall we say... fresh herb market....

Yeh I figured and recognising a few to be fruitless tomatoe producers, but the whole crew? There is a fair few of them their, none of them work, and some are not just drinking beers, their into rum cans and cans of Jimmy B. WTF?

Hs account isn't closed by Tooheys yet, so he cannot be doing so bad. That's when u know they are struggling, they start buying their kegs through other local pubs for cash.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Jeezuz Bribe....you are the first person in propably 20yrs that I have heatd use N word.....

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Yeh I figured and recognising a few to be fruitless tomatoe producers, but the whole crew? There is a fair few of them their, none of them work, and some are not just drinking beers, their into rum cans and cans of Jimmy B. WTF?

Hs account isn't closed by Tooheys yet, so he cannot be doing so bad. That's when u know they are struggling, they start buying their kegs through other local pubs for cash.

Well he would not be the first pub in town to be on a cash only acc. Few in south have been

 

[shaunous]

You only need to visit our great lil town briefly to visually see the 'bludgers'. I wasn't referring to Aboriginals Bribie, just incase that's what u were referring to....

 

[TimT]

There's an interesting and helpful conversation we could all have about welfare, but colour me skeptical when that conversation is started by the richest person in Australia! She may be good at making money but Rinehart is just not clever about her media appearances.