Gina looking for a long wall and a load of blindfolds.

[wide eyed and legless]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/gina-rinehart-hits-out-at-welfare-recipients-and-the-left-for-dragging-australia-into-debt/story-fni0cx12-1226847448435

 

[NewtownClown]

“I can already hear the left boiling with rage..."
Left? What Left? The real Left exited the building years ago...

I think the above is a misquote, it should read, “I can already taste the left boiled with sage..."

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well she could start by employing australian workers instead of importing overseas workers.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

She's got to find those who will work first.

 

[Airgead]

She's got to find those who will work for $2 a day first.

FIFY

 

[manticle]

She came from a long line of strugglers Gina. She knows just what it's like to work your way up from the bottom of the heap.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Even though she is wealthy and born with the proverbial spoon she has got a point.

 

[manticle]

That people getting paid $200 every two weeks are dragging the country into debt?

 

[manticle]

Welfare recipients are such an easy target. Why not pick on babies, stray dogs or cripples instead?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

When there are enough of them yes.You know they get paid more than that and it is true, parents who are bucking the system leave a legacy for their offspring's.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

She reminds me of Jabba the Hut...

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Was he in Bob Hawkes government? Bit before my time.

 

[lukiferj]

Why can't everyone be rich. Stupid poor people with their non inheritance bringing me down. I just want to be rich and not have to pay taxes. Im Australian. Let me.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

She is just pissed because she has dropped from 36 to 46th on the list of the worlds richest people.

Give the poor woman a break. Must have been hard news to take.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

We can't all be wealthy, and we all have to pay taxes, unless you are affiliated to Apple.

 

[lukiferj]

Someone fetch me a chandie so I can deal. I won't ask again.

 

[manticle]

When there are enough of them yes.You know they get paid more than that and it is true, parents who are bucking the system leave a legacy for their offspring's.

What about the other 98.7789% of welfare recipients? Welfare includes - unemployment, austudy, youth allowance, disability, aged pensioners, military pensions and god knows what else. You can't lump them all in one bin and while some get more than that, some don't.

I know someone who receives a disability pension for example who also works part time and lives with a working partner (on an average income). They are lucky to receive $100 a fortnight.

It's a big, diverse 'they' we're all happy to demonise. Some earn more than 200, some less but no-one is ever going to be saving a deposit for a home on unemployment benefits unless they know they're really good at counting cards.

Some people go to work and do three fifths of **** all. Most people probably go to work and do their jobs. Most people on welfare aren't 'bucking the system'. Maybe some are but why blame all of them for that? Easy, soft target maybe?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Sorry I am not a socialist manticle but I do agree with her way of thinking,regarding dole bludgers the Mo does get passed down the line, children of dole bludgers are type cast and will learn to fill out unemployment forms before getting any employment.

 

[Maheel]

shes not saying that people don't deserve some support

she is saying the time of "entitlement" is done and over it's costing a fortune that will get bigger and bigger and bankrupt Australia
if we (the GOV) keep handing out free easy money then why would some bother to work or stop asking for handouts....

the group shouldering the tax burden is getting smaller here in OZ as boomers retire and they are going to cost us young ones plenty in things like health care....
some of their lazy children who often enjoy the spoils of their boomer parents sure are going to get a rude shock if mum and dad spend it all .....

i'm going to go get a beer

 

[manticle]

Do any of you actually know any welfare recipients personally?

I'm not a socialist either by the way WEAL.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Manticle I do know recipients personally, and those I know are ripping off the system,I also know you don't like racism, but everyone is a racist, and it is how you handle it that counts, the people I know are not born and bred Aussies, but people who come here and, as far as they are concerned are to soft.

 

[Steve]

I applied for the dole last month (due to being made redundant in November) but because of the amount my wife earnt doing her part time job (which isn't enough to pay the mortgage) I wasn't deemed eligible to receive the $240 a fortnight benefit. I bet that fat ****** didn't struggle putting food on her table this evening.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Do any of you actually know any welfare recipients personally?
.

I do. And I can tell you that they would rather not be on welfare. You get enough to survive and thats it. Even then its a battle.

And I dont know where all this talk of getting an inheritance comes from that we are supposed to be entittled to. Although its common knowledge she is stopping her kids from getting an inheritance, when she herself was the beneficiary of a somewhat large inheritance. One wonders if she is being antagonistic simply for the sake of it, especially after her $2hr rate statement

 

[manticle]

I meant the people cursing them all as dole bludgers Stu.

People on unemployment benefits make up a portion of welfare recipients as I tried to point out earlier. Of those , maybe there are a small portion of dole bludgers yet dole bludger and welfare recipient seem synonymous in so many people's minds. people forget diability, old age pension, whatever.

Sorry wide-eyed, I'm not quite sure what you mean or how the racism topic is relevant. You know some welfare recipients who rip off the system? I know some who don't. The small amount of my life I've relied on Austudy and the miniscule amount of time I received unemployment benefits (maybe 8 weeks all up), I didn't rip off the system either. What benefits do the people you know receive, how do they abuse it and how does that mean everyone receiving welfare is exactly the same? Like Stu said - most people receiving it would rather work for a lot more. Unfortunately not all of them can. I know a bloke who can move his fingers slightly and his neck a bit due to extreme cerebral palsy. Any suggestions on what that dole bludger should be doing for a living?

 

[zappa]

Do any of you actually know any welfare recipients personally?

I'm not a socialist either by the way WEAL.

I have known quite a few, and I can tell you my view is quite tarnished.

While there are plenty who are deserving and genuinely need a hand up, it's the ones that work the system that I remember most. The whole families that run cash businesses, then each collect a welfare payment every fortnight. The ones that live with friends, don't pay rent, but claim rental assistance. The ones that repeatedly turn up to their newly found job, stay for 15 minutes then quit because it "wasn't right for them", yet by turning up satisfy the requirements to keep receiving welfare. The ones that push for a referal to a psychologist so they can get a ticket that states they're not mentally fit for work and are then exempt from actively seeking for work or submitting forms for the next 6 to 12 months (and then brag about it). The ones that brag about only having to stay on the dole for another 6 months before centrelink finish paying for their heavy vehicle training. The ones that brag about getting $100 towards clothes eveytime they're "forced" to attend an interview.

It's these people that breed a culture around welfare and should be stopped. I'm not sure what percentage they make up, but I'm sure the cost of resourcing to investigate, monitor and eventually prosecute these people probably outweighs the cost of letting them be. The problem with that approach though is that it's a mentality that breeds (and often breeds fast).

Again, my view is tarnished based on what I've seen throughout my adult life. It still angers me though.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I applied for the dole last month (due to being made redundant in November) but because of the amount my wife earnt doing her part time job (which isn't enough to pay the mortgage) I wasn't deemed eligible to receive the $240 a fortnight benefit. I bet that fat ****** didn't struggle putting food on her table this evening.
Steve, yes I did read your post about being made redundant, but the thing is don't give up, take anything you can get, there is a way out of any predicament you may find yourself, keep a positive thought and you will get through any hard times that you will come across.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

The cheats and bludgers are more the exception than the rule. They are no different to a business that decides to set up off shore because they dont want to pay tax, or bring in overseas workers and exploit them.

Now which ones are the easier target and which ones are actually getting the better deal by manipulating the system for finacial gain.....

 

[Rambo]

Either way you feel on the argument, the real problem is that Gina Rinehart's opinion on the matter is worthy of news and is listened to by others (including those in power). Just because she inherited a ***** load of money.

Those with money have the power to influence decisions which will help make them more money and therefore more power.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Manticle the person I know for an instance is Lebanese, he has two milk bars and 2 restaurants and is collecting welfare, I also know of two brothers who are Bulgarian, they were detained as being illegal immigrants but released, in four years they have bought 4 houses and paid cash, but never worked, they are growing dope in S.A.
I had a Chinese who was working for me, I sponsored him but there was a glitch regarding his final examination a bribe was paid to the immigration officer and was given a permanent residency visa.
He was also in receipt of bogus credit cards and offered to put them through my NAB machine,I declined the offer and reported it to my NAB manager, **** off he said, we are covered for fraud by what we are paying for using a C.C

 

[shaunous]

What I wanna know is how the *** these dole bludgers have enough money to drink all day every day. Stu and Brewmatt being Grafton lads will know, if u drive past the 2 pubs in Grafton on Pound Street anytime after 1030am, both pubs are packed with the same people everyday and I'm not talking a few people, I'm talking 30+ at each pub every day! how the *** do they afford it. I know I couldn't on my single wage, how do I get on said dole???

Also having 2 good mates owning a real estate agency here in town, they quite often get into trouble taking the piss outa the 'bludgers' rorting the system, 60%+ of there rental role is disability pensions with nothing physically wrong with them, or single parent pensions who blatantly come into their office with there partner.

Rant Over...