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DONE, Had 2 cubes in the fridge so wacked it in the second as well. Thanks for the help chiller. looking forward to the results.
 
chiller said:
If you use gelatin when bottling don't bother with secondary in a cube go straight to the bottle. The yeast will do their thing and the clearing will take place without causing you any concerns at a lack of yeast to carb the bottle.


Steve
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That's what I thought, and is when I use gelatin, if and when I do, directly at bottling during the bulk prime.
 
wee stu said:
chiller said:
If you use gelatin when bottling don't bother with secondary in a cube go straight to the bottle. The yeast will do their thing and the clearing will take place without causing you any concerns at a lack of yeast to carb the bottle.


Steve
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That's what I thought, and is when I use gelatin, if and when I do, directly at bottling during the bulk prime.
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Maybe then instead of having the brew at secondary temps (18C) for the week to clear, maybe I should drop the temp down to CC temps for the week, this way the yeast will still drop out via the gelatin and the brew will benifit from CC'ing?
 
The results are in...
Gelatine rocks!

Clear as water within 7 days of being in the cube, will be using it for all of my brews from now on!

Cheers for all the info guys
 
Hey Guys,

I have a further question regarding the use of gelatine.

I have just racked my brew from primary to secondary and I am expecting the SG to drop a couple more points in secondary before stabilising. I intend to use gelatine on this brew and I am wondering how it will affect the SG readings of the brew. In other words if I use the gelatine now will this decrease my SG reading, hence making it harder to work out the abv?

Would I be correct in waiting for the fermentation to fully complete then throw in the gelatine and wait 24hrs before bottling?

Finally is there a way to account for the gelatine in the final SG reading, that way the abv would be accurate.

Any thoughts

Cheers

Curry
 
Curry, wait until you think you have reached your FG as the gelatine will pull the yeast out of suspension potentially slowing any further fermentation. I try and put it in 48hrs before I keg or as I keg.

I don't think the gelatine is going to effect your SG readings, after 24hrs or so it should have fallen to the bottom of the fermenter anyway. Could make up a small solution of gelatin and measure its SG, I think you will just make a mess of your hydrometer however. :)
 
sluggerdog said:
Clear as water within 7 days of being in the cube, will be using it for all of my brews from now on!
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I'd like to give this a go myself.
Is it some special kind of gelatin and can it be bought from a supermarket?
I only ever thought they sold the flavoured stuff.
What exactly should I be looking for?
Thanks.
 
Thunderlips,

Grab a box of Davis gelatine from the cake and flour section at your local supermarket.

cheers
andrew
 
AndrewQLD said:
Grab a box of Davis gelatine from the cake and flour section at your local supermarket.
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Thanks Andrew. I'll keep an eye out for it next time I'm shopping.
 
Was just wondering the following:

Let's say I decided to put gelatin into a cube that has just gone into CC. Would the gelatin rip out too much yeast inorder for the brew to properly lager or would this still be ok and lager correctly?

Still planning to lager this for 4-6 weeks...

In otherwords, how important is the yeast to the lagering stage?

Cheers!
 
Inspired by this thread, I prepared some gelatin I found in the pantry and threw it into a CC jerry, gave it a week then kegged. Well, I have to tell you I haven't seen anything as muddy as this drop since I last watched the Gascoyne flooding. Its worse than any chill haze I've ever engineered. Oh well!
 
Tony M said:
Inspired by this thread, I prepared some gelatin I found in the pantry and threw it into a CC jerry, gave it a week then kegged. Well, I have to tell you I haven't seen anything as muddy as this drop since I last watched the Gascoyne flooding. Its worse than any chill haze I've ever engineered. Oh well!
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must have done it wrong, I cannot get over how clear my brews are now that I have started using gelatine... and to think I was going to buy a filter like ross....
 
sluggerdog said:
I cannot get over how clear my brews are now that I have started using gelatine... and to think I was going to buy a filter like ross....
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Slugger,

with your lager brewing you shouldnt really need any form of filtering - i've not touched any of mine with anything...

I tried gelatin once on some beer that developed cloudiness in the keg & it was far from satisfactory - so then ran it through the filter - 5 mins later, bright sparkling beer :D ...
 
sluggerdog said:
must have done it wrong, I cannot get over how clear my brews are now that I have started using gelatine... and to think I was going to buy a filter like ross....
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I recently tried my hand at using gelatine.
Amongst my kegs I have two that are 11L, sometimes I'll split a brew and put it into both of the 11L's, just in case a party happens along. Often I'll fill one 11L and leave the rest in the jerry in the fridge until needed so this time I put some gelatine in what was left over in the jerry.
I'd read in this thread that 2 teaspoons was a good amount for 23L so I halved it and put 1 teaspoon in the jerry and left it for about 4 or 5 days before my curiosity got the better of me. So I transferred it to the other 11L keg, carbed it up and tried it. It's perfectly clear and there's no taste difference :)
Couldn't be happier.
 
Good to hear thunderlips, I use gelatine for all of my kegs now even if, like ross said above, colditioning them would rip the yeast out anyway however as it doesnot break the bank or add any additional tastes then I think it's worth the extra 5 mintues to ensure you have a clear brew every time.

I mainly brew lagers or pilsners too where the clearness counts
 
sluggerdog said:
Good to hear thunderlips, I use gelatine for all of my kegs now even if, like ross said above, colditioning them would rip the yeast out anyway however as it doesnot break the bank or add any additional tastes then I think it's worth the extra 5 mintues to ensure you have a clear brew every time.

I mainly brew lagers or pilsners too where the clearness counts
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It is my turn to ask a question. I bottle condition all my beers, (can't afford kegs). I wonder if I to use Gelatin, would it take out all the yeast? or would there be enough left to finish carbonation in the bottles. I am thinking of adding it to my secondary to see the difference but I am not game to stuff up 30 bottles.

:chug:
PeterS....
 
Peter I could not be sure as I have never done it however I have heard of others that have done this and it does work.

I don't think the gelatine takes out all the yeast, there is still enough in there to carb the bottles.. (90% sure on this)

I'm sure someone will reply who has experiance with this.
 
Peter I think it can help your beer even if you bottle. It will just allow you to drop a lot more out before you bottle, there will always be enough yeast to bottle condition. As you are bottling you will always have sedement in the bottles this should still help however. Try it and see, its a cheap experiment.

I guess if you leave your bottles for a long time before drinking most of the yeast should drop out anyway so you may not notice much of a change.
 
PeterS said:
sluggerdog said:
Good to hear thunderlips, I use gelatine for all of my kegs now even if, like ross said above, colditioning them would rip the yeast out anyway however as it doesnot break the bank or add any additional tastes then I think it's worth the extra 5 mintues to ensure you have a clear brew every time.

I mainly brew lagers or pilsners too where the clearness counts
[post="69245"][/post]​

It is my turn to ask a question. I bottle condition all my beers, (can't afford kegs). I wonder if I to use Gelatin, would it take out all the yeast? or would there be enough left to finish carbonation in the bottles. I am thinking of adding it to my secondary to see the diPeter I think it can help your beer even if you bottle. It will just allow you to drop a lot more out before you bottle, there will always be enough yeast to bottle condition. As you are bottling you will always have sedement in the bottles this should still help however. Try it and see, its a cheap experiment.

I guess if you leave your bottles for a long time before drinking most of the yeast should drop out anyway so you may not notice much of a change.fference but I am not game to stuff up 30 bottles.


PeterS....
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Peter I think it can help your beer even if you bottle. It will just allow you to drop a lot more out before you bottle, there will always be enough yeast to bottle condition. As you are bottling you will always have sedement in the bottles this should still help however. Try it and see, its a cheap experiment.
I guess if you leave your bottles for a long time before drinking most of the yeast should drop out anyway so you may not notice much of a change.
Sorry to drag this up but is there any more evidence on whether ccing before bottling ales will leave enough yeast in suspension to ensure carbonation in the bottle?
More Questions.
1 -- How long does carbonation in the bottle take to complete?
2 -- Will ccing before bottling (If it works?) force a longer bottle carbonation time due to a low yeast count?
3 -- Is it worth considering adding gelatin to the bottling bucket after ccing (if it works, of course)?
(Sigh) seems that life is a lot easier when kegging? :(

:beer:
 
TidalPete said:
Sorry to drag this up but is there any more evidence on whether ccing before bottling ales will leave enough yeast in suspension to ensure carbonation in the bottle?
More Questions.
1 -- How long does carbonation in the bottle take to complete?
2 -- Will ccing before bottling (If it works?) force a longer bottle carbonation time due to a low yeast count?
3 -- Is it worth considering adding gelatin to the bottling bucket after ccing (if it works, of course)?
(Sigh) seems that life is a lot easier when kegging? :(

:beer:
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You will not remove all the yeast by cold conditioning, have not heard any confirmation that this can happen.

1/ Will depend on how much yeast (and its health) you let through and the temperature you leave the bottles at. Should be sorted anywhere between 2 - 4 weeks at around 18deg. If its a high grav beer you may struggle due to the yeast clagging it in the alc :p Also depends on what you prime with, malt may take a bit longer to ferment out than sugar etc.

2/ Possibly but I wouldn't think that big an impact.

3/ Never tried. Given that you move bottles about I think they are likely to alway stir the sediment. You never know this may make it settle a bit more solidly? Give it a shot, can't hurt.
 
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