Flavour Of The Week 22/3/10- Southern English Brown

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OK, there's already a thread for Northern English Brown Ale, so let's talk Southern!


11B. Southern English Brown

Aroma: Malty-sweet, often with a rich, caramel or toffee-like character. Moderately fruity, often with notes of dark fruits such as plums and/or raisins. Very low to no hop aroma. No diacetyl.

Appearance: Light to dark brown, and can be almost black. Nearly opaque, although should be relatively clear if visible. Low to moderate off-white to tan head.

Flavor: Deep, caramel-like malty sweetness on the palate and lasting into the finish. May have a moderate dark fruit complexity. Low hop bitterness. Hop flavor is low to non-existent. Little or no perceivable roasty or bitter black malt flavor. Moderately sweet finish with a smooth, malty aftertaste. Low to no diacetyl.

Mouthfeel: Medium body, but residual sweetness may give a heavier impression. Low to moderately low carbonation.

Overall Impression: A luscious, malt-oriented brown ale, with a caramel, dark fruit complexity of malt flavor. May seem somewhat like a smaller version of a sweet stout or a sweet version of a dark mild.

History: English brown ales are generally split into sub-styles along geographic lines. Southern English (or "London-style") brown ales are darker, sweeter, and lower gravity than their Northern cousins.

Comments: Increasingly rare. Some consider it a bottled version of dark mild.

Ingredients: English pale ale malt as a base with a healthy proportion of darker caramel malts and often some roasted malts. Moderate to high carbonate water would appropriately balance the dark malt acidity. English hop varieties are most authentic, though with low flavor and bitterness almost any type could be used.

Vital Statistics: OG FG IBUs SRM ABV
1.035 - 1.042 1.011 - 1.014 12 - 20 19 - 35 2.8 - 4.2%


Commercial Examples: Mann's Brown Ale (bottled, but not available in the US), Tolly Cobbold Cobnut Nut Brown Ale


So let's talk recipes, water, differences from northern, whatever!
 
I find when I have tasted the SEB, it really overlaps the style guidelines of a mild and hence I get lost with these dark low> medium ABV beers, darkfruit complexity of malt flavour is interesting. Lack of commercial samples makes it even more complex for me. At a guess I would be shooting the high end of O/G 40ISH , with a base of marris otter, some interesting darkfruit malts aka specialB, a good dose 3-5% bairds choc, mash low-medium, long boil and ferment out with something mineralish wyeast1028.
edit, hops? something choccy like northen brewer
 
I think they do overlap, Haysie. The difference in how they are drunk in the Midlands in England were that mild was on tap and a beer you'd drink (many) pints of. There was Manns in bottles but it was mainly drunk by old men/women, and was a sweeter drink that people would drink a bottle of or maybe two. Milds are definitely good quaffers. These brown ales have more dark malts, chocolate and dark crystal. I look at some of the mild recipes that people make and I think often they are more like a southern English brown in some ways.

Disclaimer, never made one of these beers.
 
Well, the crossover is acknolwedged in the guidelines, saying it's sometimes called a 'dark mild'.

I must admit it's an interesting style, though it is one I've never brewed before.
 
I think it's just about extinct in the UK. Along with Milk Stouts it was very much an old ladies drink,

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and as weak tasteless 3.2% lagers took over, mild itself became an old buggers' drink although making a comeback in some areas. I've had a few bottles of Mann's brown in the past, didn't go too badly with a cheese and onion roll at lunch if you didn't want to get pissed.

I'd go a lightly hopped mild with Carafa2, Choc malt and mash at 70 degrees for 50 mins to get heaps of body and low alc. London yeast.
 
Sounds a bit like my version of Kent Old Brown Ale.

Ale malt, caraaroma, choc and a dash of roast.

POR at 60

Nottingham ale yeast.

Would this be a southern english brown?

Cheers
Steve
 
I think it's just about extinct in the UK. Along with Milk Stouts it was very much an old ladies drink,

My milk stout would knock the old lady over and make her fart like a trooper.

Drinking this one at the moment
English Brown Bitter Feb 2010


Type: All grain
Size: 22 liters
Color: 37 HCU (~18 SRM)
Bitterness: 35 IBU
OG: 1.050
FG: 1.012
Alcohol: 4.9% v/v (3.9% w/w)
Grain: 4.5kg JW ale
250g Belgian biscuit
200g JW dark crystal
50g JWchocolate
50g JW black patent

Mash: 68 degrees, 90 minutes, 70% efficiency
Boil: 90 minutes SG 1.037 30 liters
Hops: 30g Fuggles (4.75% AA, 45 min.)
30g Kent Goldings (5% AA, 45 min.)


Whitbread 1099

Not sure if it fits either North or South - definitely brown, malty and nice low carbonation.

Next time I'd up the bitterness to balance (personal preference heading that way) and change the yeast just to see a different yeast profile. Too many elements in common with my porter which I think is the use of 1099 again.

Not a bad drop though.
 
I'd say the black patent would add a little too much roast character to make it a southern brown.
 
Ale malt, caraaroma, choc and a dash of roast.

POR at 60

Nottingham ale yeast.

Would this be a southern english brown?
I'm not sure that POR fits the low flavor and bitterness English hop profile, I think Fuggles would be the traditional choice, but Northern Brewer & Northdown may also fit.
 
Interesting guys thanks. I use POR to try and copy the Australian Kent Old Brown Ale...
Cheers
Steve
 
I'd say the black patent would add a little too much roast character to make it a southern brown.

Roastiness is pretty subtle. 50g doesn't do much beyond add colour. Sweetness of the crystal is pretty dominating with a very light lingering bitterness that I'd like to push (not so much to make an SEB - just to make this recipe a better beer).

In the above category description, it talks about almost black being within style guidelines. What non-roasty grains could you use to pull that kind of colour from the beer?
 
Im liking this thread as I have a KOBA planned for next weekend. Might lean towards an authentic SEBA rather than the Australian version.

Edit: p&c last time I made one I only used 25gms Roasted malt.
 
Here's Jamils recipe for this style:

5 gallon batch

7lb Marris Otter
5lb 2 Row malt
1lb Vienna
1/2lb aromatic
1/2lb caramunich
1/2lb caravienna
1/4lb choc

2oz Willamette at 60
5oz Willamette at 5
 
Sounds a bit like my version of Kent Old Brown Ale.

Ale malt, caraaroma, choc and a dash of roast.

POR at 60

Nottingham ale yeast.

Would this be a southern english brown?

Cheers
Steve

Below is my no chill crack at KOBA

Turned out a little too coffee/chocolatey compared to KOBA but other than that I LUV it :icon_drool2:

It's my new house brown and the only AG I've made twice.


BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 52 Aussie Brown MKII
Brewer: finners
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Brown Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Size: 27.69 L
Estimated OG: 1.048 SG
Estimated Color: 32.9 EBC
Estimated IBU: 18.3 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.5 EBC) Grain 87.9 %
0.25 kg Chocolate Pale (Crisp) (500.0 EBC) Grain 5.5 %
0.15 kg Crystal Dark (Crisp) (240.0 EBC) Grain 3.3 %
0.15 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 3.3 %
20.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00%] (40 min) Hops 18.3 IBU
15.00 gm Cluster [7.00%] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Cluster [7.00%] (5 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Harvested 500ml Starter (Fermentis #US-05) Yeast-Ale
 
Here's Jamils recipe for this style:

5 gallon batch

7lb Marris Otter
5lb 2 Row malt
1lb Vienna
1/2lb aromatic
1/2lb caramunich
1/2lb caravienna
1/4lb choc

2oz Willamette at 60
5oz Willamette at 5
I'm no expert but 15lb grain bill seems large for a mid strength beer?

My JZ book says this:
6.9lb English Pale Ale (one would presume Marris Otter or similar)
1lb Crystal (80L)
10oz Crystal (120L)
0.5lb Special Roast (50L)
6oz Pale Chocolate (200L)
0.25lb Carafa Special II (450L)

Kent Goldings 60mins, 17.4IBU
----------
Unfortunately when I asked at G&G (the day before the Bulk Buy pickup) at least 1/2 the specialty grains were not available and very rough substitutions were required.
 
Here was a southern english brown i put down early last year. a great beer with just under 3% alcohol. Mashed a little higher than recommended to increase body.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 29.05 L
Estimated OG: 1.036 SG
Estimated Color: 43.4 EBC
Estimated IBU: 17.8 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
2.00 kg Pale Ale Malt (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC) Grain 47.00 %
1.00 kg Munich II (Weyermann) (16.7 EBC) Grain 23.00 %
0.30 kg Carahell (Weyermann) (25.6 EBC) Grain 7.23 %
0.30 kg Caramunich II (Weyermann) (124.1 EBC) Grain 7.23 %
0.25 kg Carafa II (Weyermann) (817.6 EBC) Grain 6.69 %
25.00 gm Fuggles [4.50 %] (40 min) Hops 11.7 IBU
25.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.10 %] (15 min) Hops 6.0 IBU


Mashed at 68C

Fermented with 1318 LONDON ALE 3 for 1.5 weeks at 18C. FG 1015.
 
I'm no expert but 15lb grain bill seems large for a mid strength beer?

My JZ book says this:
6.9lb English Pale Ale (one would presume Marris Otter or similar)
1lb Crystal (80L)
10oz Crystal (120L)
0.5lb Special Roast (50L)
6oz Pale Chocolate (200L)
0.25lb Carafa Special II (450L)

Kent Goldings 60mins, 17.4IBU
----------
Unfortunately when I asked at G&G (the day before the Bulk Buy pickup) at least 1/2 the specialty grains were not available and very rough substitutions were required.


I thought the same thing. I haven't put the numbers into promash but it does seem a little high. He did **** on that he got a first prize for it, a little more than usual.
 
In the above category description, it talks about almost black being within style guidelines. What non-roasty grains could you use to pull that kind of colour from the beer?

Hi P&C,

Wasn't being a smartarse - genuinely curious.

Cheers
 
Hi P&C,

Wasn't being a smartarse - genuinely curious.

Cheers

Hmm, well TBH if I were making a southern English brown I wouldn't be heading for the darker end of the spectrum that the guidelines allow for anyway. I'd personally use choc and an upper lovibond crystal to get some colour, then maybe one of the cara- grains to get the caramel flavour.
 

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