F*ck you Woolworths

[Bridges]

The won't work under any circumstances brigade eliminates those working whatever the minimum hours are, plus you have the cash in hand workers who still collect benefits.

Won't or can't is a pretty important distinction here, we have to support those who can't support themselves.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Won't or can't is a pretty important distinction here, we have to support those who can't support themselves.

Can,t work is totally a different kettle of fish to won't work, there are plenty out ther who have absolutely no intention of ever working, and the same mentality of avoiding work is passed on to their offspring's.

 

[Hermies]

Can,t work is totally a different kettle of fish to won't work, there are plenty out ther who have absolutely no intention of ever working, and the same mentality of avoiding work is passed on to their offspring's.

I know of a person who was wrongly accused in the workplace 40 years ago when they were fresh out of school and has been so able to use and abuse the system ( traumatised ) by it has never worked since .

 

[manticle]

What percentage of physically and mentally capable adults won't work? I know they exist but they are an absolute minority of the unemployed and underemployed.

 

[manticle]

 

[wereprawn]

Back in the early 90's it was much harder to find work. After holding a few jobs I didn't enjoy, and being out of work for a few weeks,I decided to move down to the central coast of NSW. Big mistake. Wyong had one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. So I applied for a job at Aston Scholastic ( among many, many others) as an office roustabout. Of the 300 and something applicants who applied and completed their "test", myself and another person were the only one's to achieve a perfect score. Thinking I was a shoe-in for the job, which may lead to a future in publishing, I turned up to the interview and was told I wasn't suitable as I was overqualified . WTF ? It really was hard to find work back then.There's no reason for able bodied/sound of mind people, not to have work ATM .

 

[user 37368]

Sources : http://peoplesdemocracy.in/2017/0528_pd/neoliberalism-and-trade-unions-i

Right so socialism is the answer and a marxist web site telling people they are oppressed by a capitalist class is going to make things better.

https://cdn.static-economist.com/si...2/02/blogs/graphic-detail/20120303_WOC674.gif

Capitalism seems to work pretty good according to the facts when you drop the hate/envy for the hyper successful.

Stuff is not that expensive and we have it really good in Australia, you aren't oppressed by buying stuff made in Vietnam, Vietnam exporting more creates wealth for millions, look at the quality of life of billions of Chinese in the last 20 years due to trade. Good for them.



Capitalism guarantees opportunity and socialism/communism guarantees (a very poor outcome) where everyone is equal but some people (and their friends) are just more equal than others.. The peoples utopia is always just only one more execution of someone you don't agree with away.

If you know anyone from Ukraine, have a talk to them.

https://i.imgur.com/eyUnc.jpg

 

[Radshoes]

Do I need to learn Russian?

 

[nosco]

Whether capitalism is a success or not depends on your veiw point. Its got nothing to do with facts or simple graphs. Heres some opinions and graphs for ya.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

What percentage of physically andcloser ally capable adults won't work? I know they exist but they are an absolute minority of the unemployed and underemployed.

You ask the question and answer it yourself, centrelink would be able to supply closer figures. My point is if we take the job stats as is instead of saying some of those in the stats work only 1 hour / week we have a constant to work with, if we start putting variables in there a more accurate number would never be achieved. I think there will be alot more than you think manticle who would rather bludge off society. We should try the Finsh method (Dave posted a link) that would give a more accurate percentage of those who are happy to live off the taxes of others. Does it bother me, not especially, we have one short life, if some want to waste it thats their problem, fortunately the majority of us are willing to put in and secure a better life and upbringing for their family
.

 

[Dave70]

Whether capitalism is a success or not depends on your veiw point. Its got nothing to do with facts or simple graphs. Heres some opinions and graphs for ya.

Thats kind of like saying the 'success' of mass immunization depends on your point of view. Socialism / communism / Anarcho-syndicalism / workers controlling the means of production / whatever doesn't necessarily fail because the administrators are intrinsically malevolent, inept or corrupt, its because it dosen't work. Society isn't some homogeneous lump of organisms, its, has been noted many times, individuals pursuing separate interests. Selfish interests.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a quote, essay or interview with Chomsky that doesnt include a polemic against western foreign policy and capitalism. Its like the Bernie Sanders school of thought that seems to assert that the wealthy stole from the poor to become wealthy, which when you think about it, is ******* ridiculous in of itself.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

This quest for 'progress' is often a false crusade. Here in Melbourne various state govts have spent billions over the past 15-20 years on automated metro ticketing systems, all of which are ******. The public transport users association did an economic analysis that found it would have been hugely cheaper simply to go back and employ ticketing staff at every suburban station, as it was for a century before political leaders (from both sides) sought to kill the unions by finding progressive ways to retrench their members, and earn kickbacks from corrupt IT firms.

Yes but the Governemnt knows ( ******** ) best.

Its what happens when you get big business convince the government that they need there system and its the best....but then sign a 4 bazzillion page contract that is so convoluted that they get away with everything and charge the government for their **** ups and cost of fixing it...and the government just cops it sweet

And given that most politicians are lawyers or accountants shows just how **** they must have been at their jobs and turned to politics

 

[neal32]

Capitalism seems to work pretty good according to the facts when you drop the hate/envy for the hyper successful.

dibbz,

If you read my post I'm doing well and I have no hate and envy for the hyper successful. Also I'm in agreeance with Ben Shapiro with 90% of the stuff he talks about, especially freedom of speech and SJW stuff. Not the economy or the environment however. In fact for those issues I side with um......you know.....economists....and environmental scientists, because I don't know enough about those issues and based on your post, you know even less. Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanis_Varoufakis or 95% of environmental scientists that say earth cannot be saved within the bounds of capitalism.

You're entitled to your opinion based on feelings and I'm entitled to mine based on the 30 years of data and listening to actual experts. The difference is, unless you're a billionaire/multi millionaire you're promoting a system that fails you and your country man. You're an Uncle Tom in that regard.

If you're open minded please watch the above documentaries (Requiem for the American dream and Inequality for all, they're both great). I do the same by listening to conservatives(such as Shapiro), feminists and all other groups I don't agree with.

I would happily vote for a socialist system, unfortunately in Australia, I don't have the opportunity

 

[neal32]

Stuff is not that expensive and we have it really good in Australia, you aren't oppressed by buying stuff made in Vietnam, Vietnam exporting more creates wealth for millions, look at the quality of life of billions of Chinese in the last 20 years due to trade. Good for them.
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I'm not bashing you personally, I'm sure you're a great guy and I'd love to offer you a beer and have a chat. But your opinions are rubbish.

I'm saying Vietnam will suffer if they enter into free and fair trade. It's beneficial for Australians, no doubt, and will create more wealth for Australians. I've been to Vietnam and for all the **** they've been through, they're still a hard working, friendly people. I wouldn't be so friendly if I went through what they've been through.

As a traveller I can't justify getting $5 off a pair of Nikes due to the suffering of my fellow man and I don't need a new phone every year at the expense of some 12 year old African kid mining the necessary materials due to him losing the lottery of life.

Finally, you mate Steve Bannon put it best and of course I'm paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of, "The US has shipped their middle class to China". And it's true. And it's happening in Australia. And it's 100% Capitalism.

Happy for you to reference me material if you think any of my points are incorrect.

EDIT: Sorry, one last point and I'll shutup. You extol China but blast Socialism and Marxism. Last time I checked, China was communist!

 

[TheWiggman]

Just deleted a political opinion and instead shall just say I'm going to strap myself in for the ride. Loving all this flour discussion.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Just deleted a political opinion and instead shall just say I'm going to strap myself in for the ride. Loving all this flour discussion.

Yeah, those flour retailers are capitalist pigs.

But I can still buy my wallaby flour localy so I am happy

 

[wide eyed and legless]

[QUOTE="neal32, post: 1487849, member: 17
Finally, you mate Steve Bannon put it best and of course I'm paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of, "The US has shipped their middle class to China". And it's true. And it's happening in Australia. And it's 100% Capitalism.

Happy for you to reference me material if you think any of my points are incorrect.

EDIT: Sorry, one last point and I'll shutup. You extol China but blast Socialism and Marxism. Last time I checked, China was communist![/QUOTE]jh

If you agree China has a middle class then you would surely agree China cannot be communist, communist / soclialist is a classless society but as we all should know this is never the case, Xi Ping and his families worth is over 1billion dollars US and that is just what is known.
I don't for one minute think he will divi it out to those fellow countrymen in rural China who live in abect poverty. Voting in a socialist government is fine as long as you can secure a place in the top pecking order, much like if you are in a union best thing to do is get into the top hierarchy guarantee a good wage from the union funds, even rip a few dollars from the funds as so many do and then get a cushy $150,000 a year job working forFair Work Australiae with a good retirement package

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

[QUOTE="neal32, post: 1487849, member: 17
Finally, you mate Steve Bannon put it best and of course I'm paraphrasing but he said something along the lines of, "The US has shipped their middle class to China". And it's true. And it's happening in Australia. And it's 100% Capitalism.

Happy for you to reference me material if you think any of my points are incorrect.

EDIT: Sorry, one last point and I'll shutup. You extol China but blast Socialism and Marxism. Last time I checked, China was communist!

jh

If you agree China has a middle class then you would surely agree China cannot be communist, communist / soclialist is a classless society but as we all should know this is never the case, Xi Ping and his families worth is over 1billion dollars US and that is just what is known.
I don't for one minute think he will divi it out to those fellow countrymen in rural China who live in abect poverty. Voting in a socialist government is fine as long as you can secure a place in the top pecking order, much like if you are in a union best thing to do is get into the top hierarchy guarantee a good wage from the union funds, even rip a few dollars from the funds as so many do and then get a cushy $150,000 a year job working forWork Care with a good retirement package[/QUOTE]


Probably easier to become a train driver

 

[homebrewnewb]

J Stigletz wrote a book on this in 2012 worth a read it's quite engrossing.

Considering the US isn't really a capitalist democracy and China isn't a communist worker's paradise the irony gives me a sad but hearty chuckle.

 

[wynnum1]

Not a lot of reporting about coles settling court case where the union Allied Employees Union (SDA) ****** over workers with EBA who where getting less then the award but it seems those who lost money are not going to get all there lost wages but i guess the one who did the case fared better.