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Yer some of the kits come with an ale yeast instead during the hotter months.

A quick google turned up this.

Understanding the Difference - Ale VS Lager

Understanding Lagers VS Ales

Hugh Sissons Diary of a Brewer


I am often asked (especially when I am doing our public brewery tours) about the difference between ales and lagers and beers. I hear discussions of top fermenting yeast (ales theoretically) versus bottom fermenting yeast (lagers, so they say), and even if where the yeast does its work were consistently true (it is not in all cases), it does absolutely nothing to explain the flavor differences between the two major types of beer. Consequently, in my opinion, top versus bottom is completely useless! More edifying is to discuss flavor differences in ales versus lagers.


Beer is the overall generic term for fermented malt beverages whether it is an ale or a lager, it is still called beer! There are ONLY two kinds of beer ales and lagers. Within those two broad categories there are many styles. Major ales styles are pale ale, IPA, porter, stout, and barleywine, just to name a few. Among the major lager styles are pilsner, Mrzen, bock, and dunkles (dark lager).


What really differentiates an ale from a lager is the temperature of fermentation. Ales ferment typically between 64 and 70 degrees F, and lagers ferment typically between 52 and 58 F. Fermentation is the process whereby yeast consumes the sugars from the malt, and in turn produces alcohol and carbon dioxide. All yeast strains, in addition to producing alcohol and CO2, also produce small amounts of other compounds which add subtle flavor complexity to the beer.


With warmer fermentation temperatures (ales), yeast will produce elevated ester compounds. These come across on the palette as a rounded fruitiness, and give ales their characteristic complexity. Typically, ale yeasts will not ferment at colder (lager) temperatures.


Colder fermentations obviously require a yeast that is genetically capable of fermenting at colder temperatures (as opposed to ale yeasts). The colder temperatures prevent these lager yeasts from producing the amount of esters which are so characteristic of ales. However, many popular lager yeasts do produce elevated sulfur compounds during fermentation. These sulfur compounds take extended cold storage (known as lagering) to be pleasantly integrated into the beer, but once accomplished, these compounds show on the palette as crispness and cleanness.


This is all a bit of an oversimplification, but it is helpful to understanding the basic differences between the two types of beer. Ales can be referred to as being fruity, rounded, and complex, and lagers can be referred to as being crisp, clean, and angular. A close sampling of normal strength (ie around 5% ABV) examples of each type will illustrate these concepts from a sensory perspective. So have a couple of beers you pick the type and see if you think I am right!

http://www.4syndication.com/clipper_city_b...ager/24467/v.do
 
Sorta off topic. Has anyone actually TASTED a bottle of Corona at all? I was at a brew day last week and a couple of the attendees weren't home brewers and brought some bottleshop beer along to be polite, one of them brought a six pack of Corona and handed them round after we had been drinking everything from Robust Porters, Toucan 9% Stout, Classic Aus Lager made on Galaxy, hoppy APAs etc. Politely we quaffed the brews and you know what, the first couple of swigs cleared the palate then we agreed (Gravity Guru, Winkle and myself) that the beer had a bit of malt character and we could detect a pleasant background hop bitterness. Very surprising indeed, the little bugger was holding up quite well, almost went looking for a second bottle :p

I quite like Corona but I know many that do not, "piss beer" comes to mind as the description by others. But its a nice light beer, great for a hot day with a wedge of lemon or lime.
 
Bribie, I haven't had a corona for a while now, due to too many other beers to drink.
But I've never had a bad one. Gotta have the lemon or lime, otherwise I just feel like something's missing.
If anyone turned up at my place with a six pack to share they're more than welcome to grab a lime from the tree on the way in! :icon_cheers:
 
Wow; this thread is an epic. This new Cooper's product has really got everyone going.

I suggest if you are really looking for an authentic Corona taste and you're a bottler (like me) you should use green or clear bottles and then leave them in direct sunlight for 30 minutes or so to impart that "skunky" imported characteristic you get with light-struck beers like Corona and Sol. I wouldn't do this with any other beer that isn't served with citrus though.

:D

stagga.
 
Hi all, well this is my first write up on a beer ive put down, whilst im still getting some gear ready to venture into partial and maybe allgrain i thought id try this coopers corona kit. I only just got a temp mate and what a world of difference it does for brewing so with this kit im trying a fair dinkum lager yeast (weihenstephan yeast to be exact).
I just used a brew enhancer kit no 1, some hal hops and some rice extract with it and also some dry enzyme. I made it on tuesday rehydrated the yeast at 23 degrees then pitched it and put it in the fridge at 17 degrees for 24 hours then lowered it to twelve. Well after a nervous wait i saw some activity :)
Go to love this tempmate and home brew experimenting and also keep this corona thread going as i can vouch when i was working in the tropics up north a corona and lime/lemon is the way to go. :lol:
 
Ducked out to the garage/brauhaus last sunday for a taste. THere it was happily bubbling away...... at about 30c. Argh. Couldn't be bothered moving it, thinking, the damage is done.
Problem is, the fermenter is sitting about 2m away from a North facing garage door. I'll be bringing my next brew in a bit closer. Good belgian temps though!
 
Made the 'Katie' style Chili and Kaffir Lime leaf Mex with 500gms Wheat DME + 300g Rye Caramel +300gms Raw Sugar + 15g Hallertau.
About 8 small red chilies and about 10 KL leaves chucked in with the yeast.

Only been in the bottle 10 days but had to have a quick taste.

Strange aroma of Kaffir Lime bit perfumed and tastes a bit perfumed. This I understand will become much less with some bottle time.

No sign of chili when you take a mouthful but the warmth kind of hits you 5 seconds later. Bit weird the nearest I could describe is the bite from Ginger Beer with a lasting warmth.

I blended half the bottle with a an Oettinger Pils which tames the perfumey flavour nicely.

Don't think I could quaff a lot of this so not a session beer but an interesting experiment nevertheless.

BTW I have never tasted a Commercial Chili Beer so had no idea what to expect :icon_cheers:

3 months in the bottle and this has turned out much better. The perfumed Kaffir lime upfront flavour has mellowed out. Much more drinkable now but not really suitable for drinking in large quantities. Just trying to find a good food match to go with it :icon_cheers:
 
3 months in the bottle and this has turned out much better. The perfumed Kaffir lime upfront flavour has mellowed out. Much more drinkable now but not really suitable for drinking in large quantities. Just trying to find a good food match to go with it :icon_cheers:

Geeez, 10 kaffir lime leaves!!

I added 4 or 5 to a black rock mex last year (500gms rice malt, 1kg dex, 20 gms saaz) and after 2 months in the keg, the lime still made my eyes water!!
Not bad though
 
Cracked open the first tallie tonight. Poured pretty flat and had that phenolic flavour to it. Damn it! :angry:
I think this flavour comes up to teach me to clean my gear properly.

Thankfully I picked up a lemon on the way home. A slice of that in the glass, and problem solved (almost). <_< :huh: :)

ps. Got a new lurker onboard lately. If he see's this, Gday Brenny, I've got your cerveza tallie in the fridge, hopefully it's better than mine!
 
I've just got onto brewing after sitting around for months umming and ahh-ing about it, and whacked this one on for my first time. threw out the instructions and just went off all the helpful bits and pieces i found on here, it's currently sitting in 28 PET bottles that came with the coopers micro-brew kit and hopefully won't taste horrid after another few weeks. I stuck with the kit and the recommended BE2, but added about 2 and a half grams of cascade hops just for the hell of it.
Will let you know how it goes if anyone's interested!
 
I just poped one into the fermenter on tuesday night. Having a little trouble keeping the temps down, hopefully it'll be fine though. Definitely not one to do in summer if you have no fridge or means of temp control.
 
For sure let us know how ya first brew turns out mate, welcome to the forums. For what it's worth 2 1/2g wont be noticable, unless you put that in each bottle? Good on ya for throwing youself into it, it's a slippery slope this HB caper.
 
just a small question, Is this style of beer a Lager or Ale? and which should it be brewed as?
also Mine has been in the bottle for over a month and it is quite tasteless even compared to a Corona : (
and the carb lvl is quite low.
 
It depends on the yeast you use. I think it's supposed to be a lager, although Coopers kit yeasts (excluding a couple of kits) tend to be a hybrid monster of both ale and lager yeasts.
 
yeah I knew about the coopers yeast, which I used, that's why I asked in case I want to try again with a bit more knowledge.
 
Heh, yeah. When I tried it first up I did I used BE1 and the kit yeast, came out around 3.2% ABV and with very little taste but it was nicely carbonated and we kept lemons handy for when we drank it.

I wasn't too big on it but it was a hit with SWMBO and her friends so I tried again with Glacier hops BE1 and a lager yeast. That's pretty much one of the few kits and bits I'll keep doing for a while to keep her happy.
 
For some reason I decided to brew one of these after being AG for more than a year. When it finished, I carbed and kegged it... and it was so tasteless and bland that I decided to dry hop the keg with 30grams of Summer Saaz and 20 grams of Simcoe. It finished quite nice! I still have a lot of it to drink, but I am trying to save it for non craft drinkers.
 
OT: I find it strange that so many people report their lady friends like sweet light beers. Apart from some dangerous flirtation with platinum blond when she first tried it (shortlived and not as exciting as it may read), my lady is a fan of refreshing bitterness and hearty malty beers like stouts and porters.
 
I had about 4 attempts at the Cerveza for the missus, she is a St George drinker.
I gave it away after 4 brews, US-05 helped, LME was ok, Golden Syrup was a mistake but i couldn't hit the spot.
What i found was that time was the best answer, i reckon with such a light flavored kit it really needs about 4 months in the bottle to come good.
Moved to AG, that solved my problem but i still haven't brewed one the missus likes.... but then i gave up trying!
 
For sure let us know how ya first brew turns out mate, welcome to the forums. For what it's worth 2 1/2g wont be noticable, unless you put that in each bottle? Good on ya for throwing youself into it, it's a slippery slope this HB caper.


Haha will do, thanks mate! Yeah, I wasn't sure how much to put in, a mate from work offloaded them to me the other day and thought it couldn't hurt, I figured a style like this is pretty inoffensive to begin with so it'd probably make a good base to muck around with, but i guess time will tell. Seems like a hard one to get "right", if there is such a thing.
 
OT: I find it strange that so many people report their lady friends like sweet light beers. Apart from some dangerous flirtation with platinum blond when she first tried it (shortlived and not as exciting as it may read), my lady is a fan of refreshing bitterness and hearty malty beers like stouts and porters.

Oh, my lass likes a good whack of beers, but out of the kits she seems to have liked this one the best. Yet to see how she goes with some of the partials I'll be thrusting her way.
 
You're lucky I'm not a man who insists on making innuendos with every breath.

While my sweetpea doesn't like the all same beers I like (she doesn't enjoy yeast driven beers like trappists or some eisbocks) she does have a great palate and can be a really good source of feedback (and having a non brewer give honest feedback is really useful) and she will try most things most days.
 
G'day Mate.

If your using the actual Coopers ones they are especially designed for brewing and are good for easily 6-9 months.

cheers.

sorry but are you saying that the bottles themself will last 6-9 months and then you will have to get new ones or do you mean that once you've bottled brew in them, that they will last 6-9 months? im just curious because i use them. cheers
 
sorry but are you saying that the bottles themself will last 6-9 months and then you will have to get new ones or do you mean that once you've bottled brew in them, that they will last 6-9 months? im just curious because i use them. cheers

Pretty certain it means the beer will last that long. Some PET bottled beer may have oxidation problems due to permeability of plastic but the coopers PET bottles have been formulated with that in mind. If you make beer you want to age for a long time, glass is probably best but if you want to bottle brews that need less maturation in PET then the Coopers ones are the way to go. Re-usable as far as I'm aware (have a set but only bottled in them once so far from expert).
 
Coopers/Morgans bottles have a nylon membrane so theoretically should be as good as glass.

Most people do not bottle in PET if they are intending to store for years.

I have some PET bottles getting on for one year without any problem considering they are stored at ambient in the tropics between 35C-13C and all between.
 
I have brews in PET which are fine after 14 months, i have had the odd brew that was a little flat but considering my caps have been used up to 6 times i'm not surprised. I'm in the process of ditching any cap that's been used 3-4 times and using new ones. I don't match caps to bottles either which i hear can extend their life.
Caps are cheap so i may end up only using them once or twice.
I bottle in glass as well and to be honest i like PET for ease of storage in terms of lack of weight, they are also lighter when full, tend to bounce when dropped (i've lost a few glass bottles that way).
Glass looks and feels better, but my mind is turning more to PETS just for ease.
 
I have brews in PET which are fine after 14 months, i have had the odd brew that was a little flat but considering my caps have been used up to 6 times i'm not surprised. I'm in the process of ditching any cap that's been used 3-4 times and using new ones. I don't match caps to bottles either which i hear can extend their life.
Caps are cheap so i may end up only using them once or twice.
I bottle in glass as well and to be honest i like PET for ease of storage in terms of lack of weight, they are also lighter when full, tend to bounce when dropped (i've lost a few glass bottles that way).
Glass looks and feels better, but my mind is turning more to PETS just for ease.

I use PET bottles for my every day drinker up to 12 months in the bottle. Special brews that may be stored longer go into glass. But even the "beer" PET bottles seem OK after 12 months.
 
you can always add some lemon rind to the boil
or lemon grass (not too much of either)

so, how would one use lemon rind in a partial? just boil water, add kit and dextrose, and the lemon rind and boil it a bit and leave the lemon rind in it? and if using the glacier hops, would the standard boil in 500ml water for 7 minutes or so be sufficient? do glacier hops come in the bags?

i really wanna try this one.
 
hi there, everybody looking for glacier hops, i have found them here:

http://www.craftbrewer.com.au/shop/product-search.asp

they're pricey but apparently if you pick them up from their shop you only pay for the hops but postage is free, otherwise there is postage costs to consider. They also have the saf lager w34/70 yeast.
 
G'day, not currently brewing at the moment but a work colleague asked about doing a Corona clone and talked about using the kit as a base, I presume he wants something rather bland but easy to drink on a hot summers day, crikey we get plenty of them here at Bathurst but I suppose were not on our Pat Malone, any way I suggested he try the White Labs yeast suitable for this style but was unsure of the type of hop or hopping rate assuming it will be just the can kit, Ultrabrew/ Coopers No 2, a low bitterness and more aromatic hop would be my thinking, also would a Wyeast California Lager yeast be suitable for this style as it wouldn't have to be fermented at Lager temps, hard here at this time of the year, cheers Leroy.
 
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