Claytons No Chill

[ajmuzza]

So I've read a bit bit about the effect of no chilling on late hop additions (ie less than 15 mins).

Without wanting to reopen that can of worms, wouldn't a half way measure be to try and chill your cube (ie couple of frozen bottles of water in the laundry sink?

Yeah, I know you're going to say it's not "no chilling" then and that's probably right, but it seems somewhat more convenient than doing a mini-boil, less time consuming and cheaper than buying a wort chiller.

Thoughts? Also any ideas on how this would impact on late hop additions following the conventional schedule.

Cheers

 

[bum]

If you're able to chill it quickly this way then there will definitely be improved late hop character (or more character retained, if you prefer).

But chilling is not no chilling. And if you didn't quite clean everything as well as you'd like then reducing the time the cube is held at higher temps increases the risk of infection - situation becomes worse the faster you chill the cube.

 

[chunckious]

But it seems somewhat more convenient, less time consuming and cheaper.

We all make beer in varying ways and have varing opions on how our beers taste. You judge your own brews on their taste and appearance. Nothing else.
From my experience v's my expectations.....if I want good beer, I'm going to have to work for it.

 

[ajmuzza]

Ah yes, the fundamental law of brewing - sanistisation. Very good point.

 

[NewtownClown]

You'd be suprised how long it takes to chill in a water bath with iceblocks in the volume of a laundry sink.

 

[mxd]

Kev puts his cubes in the pool

 

[QldKev]

Kev puts his cubes in the pool

The key is to get the wort down to 80c as fast as possible as under that the hop isomerisation rate is greatly reduced.

Here's the man pool
http://aussiehomebrewer.com/topic/56920-fermentor-infection-sht/?p=802440

 

[roverfj1200]

Quite often use the pool option. But right now I am playing with cube hops...

Even if pool chilling I would allow for the no chill times.

Cheers

 

[losp]

My flame out hops are thrown into the cube.
I have done this the last few times with good results. I figure its hot enough to break down the pellets, but not hot enough to isomerize
them heaps.

 

[Arghonaut]

Is there a rough time above X temperature for the heat to kill any nasties when no chilling?

 

[Lemon]

There are tables and calculations that allow you to calculate the pasteurisation power of the temp difference above, about 67C from memory. Suffice to say, into the cube at say 85C, provides substantially more "power" than any commercial process needs or uses.

Lemon

 

[fletcher]

You'd be suprised how long it takes to chill in a water bath with iceblocks in the volume of a laundry sink.

amen. i completely filled up my bathtub and added lots of massive 2L ice blocks and it still took longer than about 40mins to cool down. i wish i could remember exactly, but i've found it to be a slow process.