Hahahhahaha
The brew by u place here in adelaide (very friendly man, filled my co2 bottle for 30 bux) tried to convince me I need to start brewing with them for the time saving. Tried their pilsner, I could taste the effect of their 24 degree C ferment in there, everything gets done at 24C. Told him that, I can taste estery sweetness, on top of the lower attenuation, he was trying to convince me that the sweetness was due to using cascade hops!!!!
Even claimed that they add some hops to some brews to get the caramel taste happening. Dumbfounded. I've got nothing against extract brewing but they could use a fair injection of grey matter and facts.