Waimea

[beachy]

Are there any more updates on this hop?

Ross, have you brewed with them now and if so what do you think of them, are they similar to anything else?

 

[bignath]

Ive got one in the fermenter, a day or two away from cold conditioning. Recipe is page 191, post #3807 in What Are You Brewing III.

At the moment it tastes very much like my Motueka beers.
Hopping schedule is very similar to my Citra Ale which really kicks you in the ass, so went with that schedule to try on the Waimea.
The Waimea Ale has got solid bittering, but i cant make much out flavourwise though. Almost zero aroma. I cube hopped 10g into the fermenter. Next time will do more. Much more. Or dry hop instead....
Just wanted to get two brews out of a single packet so i can knock out another one very soon.
May have to rejig the recipe and push some additions a little later.

 

[Nick JD]

The Waimea Ale has got solid bittering, but i cant make much out flavourwise though. Almost zero aroma.

Oh. I did a Citra recipe and subbed out the Citra for Kohatu when it came out and got nothing in the way of flavour or aroma compared to the same amount of Citra.

Keep the feedback coming though.

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Goomba? any feedback?
Daz

New arrival in the house has put the brakes on brewing temporarily, and the kegs are empty too.

More feedback much appreciated, I'm thinking of mixing it with Galaxy, and possibly my US Cascade.

 

[bignath]

Oh. I did a Citra recipe and subbed out the Citra for Kohatu when it came out and got nothing in the way of flavour or aroma compared to the same amount of Citra.

Keep the feedback coming though.

Yeah, its interesting. I dont understand all the different oil values/types and what will create flavour vs aroma vs bitterness but i find Citra a really flavourful hop that is smooth on the bittering. Id put Nelson in that same category too (if used carefully).
But so far im finding the Waimea less so. Id put Motueka in a group with the Waimea as far as this aspect goes.

Waimea bittering in my sample seems very nice, but im not picking up much flavour, and almost no aroma. Ive got some left, so im seriously thinking about dry hopping it too.

That means my recipe is

10g at 40mins
25g at 20mins
10g into the cube
20g dry hopped.

 

[Ross]

We have been producing single hopped, single grain bitters for the handpumps around Brisbane under the "Golden Bitter" moniker
The latest uses Waimea & will be kegged Wednesday week. Will give feedback once kegged & should be on handpump at The Scratch shortly afterwards...


cheers Ross

 

[sinkas]

when is Waiyoua coming out?

 

[beachy]

Thanks for the feedback.

I was more worried about using too much but it sounds like that won't be a problem.

I am going to try for 18L @1050
60 min northern brewer bittering
10 min 30g Waimea
0 min 30g Waimea
Dry hop 30g Waimea
very similar to what i do with US hops in an APA.

 

[krausenhaus]

Anyone got more to share on this hop?

 

[beerdrinkingbob]

New arrival in the house has put the brakes on brewing temporarily, and the kegs are empty too.

:icon_offtopic: Congrats Goomba, may the brew be strong in the little one...

 

[Batz]

I put down two kegs of my Waimea smash last weekend. The glass I sampled while filtering was nice, quite a sharp bitterness but pleasant, and flavour came through nicely as well. I'll try a few of these this weekend, as I did two kegs and may dry hop one depending on how it comes out.

Batz

 

[_HOME_BREW_WALLACE_]

I cracked one of my waimea beers this morn (SHHHH!)........ Awesome!!!!! Cant put my finger on it yet but something isnt right. gonna give it a couple more weeks to settle down then i will report back. Tell you what, i'm definately ordering more of this hop.

 

[Nick JD]

I cracked one of my waimea beers this morn (SHHHH!)........ Awesome!!!!! Cant put my finger on it yet but something isnt right. gonna give it a couple more weeks to settle down then i will report back. Tell you what, i'm definately ordering more of this hop.

Yes, but what did it taste like?! Similar to...?

 

[_HOME_BREW_WALLACE_]

Yes, but what did it taste like?! Similar to...?

smells a bit like nelson, dont quite know what it tastes like yet. sorry

 

[bignath]

Just pulled the first beer from my Waimea keg. Yes i know it's 2 in the morning, and i've just opened the keg...

Righto, firstly i reckon the basic Craftbrewer descriptor of Fruity Citrus and Pine is right on the money.

I've never tasted a hop like this. It's quite florally sweet flavourwise.

My recipe is on either page two or three, it's the one where i decided to go with a dry hop as i had zero aroma at end of ferment.

Still pretty much zero aroma. The bittering doesn't stand out at all, so i reckon this hop shines as a flavour addition. This particular beer is beautifully balanced on the bittering side of things though. I don't actually notice it, but it's not dominated by the malt either.

I'm calling 30min or less with a chiller, or for those dirty no chillers (like me) this hop would probably work well as a really late addition or even a 100% cube hop smash.

10min Waimea SMASH anyone? Would go awesome i reckon.

I use lots of Nelson Sauvin and Motueka...It's much closer to Motueka to my palate. Both can have the florally element going on, but NS is way bigger on aroma (as is Citra - unmistakable), whereas this Waimea has that earthy quality to it that NS doesn't have, kind of similar to Motueka, but initially the Waimea is "sweeter"....can't quite put my finger on it. Very weak on the aroma front.

Bottom line is this....if you've brewed with Motueka a fair bit, you'll love this hop as a variant, but i'd recommend to go a bit harder than you normally would as it doesn't come through as much as the AA% would have you believe.

Next time i'm gonna add 25% right across all additions and see how that goes.

Go hard with this hop chaps, she doesn't bite!

 

[geneabovill]

when is Waiyoua coming out?

Waimea: the whining hop.

 

[Jay Cee]

We have been producing single hopped, single grain bitters for the handpumps around Brisbane under the "Golden Bitter" moniker
The latest uses Waimea & will be kegged Wednesday week. Will give feedback once kegged & should be on handpump at The Scratch shortly afterwards...

Ross, does any of your beer make it onto Sydney taps? If so, where?

 

[Nick JD]

Just pulled the first beer from my Waimea keg. Yes i know it's 2 in the morning, and i've just opened the keg...

Righto, firstly i reckon the basic Craftbrewer descriptor of Fruity Citrus and Pine is right on the money.

I've never tasted a hop like this. It's quite florally sweet flavourwise.

My recipe is on either page two or three, it's the one where i decided to go with a dry hop as i had zero aroma at end of ferment.

Still pretty much zero aroma. The bittering doesn't stand out at all, so i reckon this hop shines as a flavour addition. This particular beer is beautifully balanced on the bittering side of things though. I don't actually notice it, but it's not dominated by the malt either.

I'm calling 30min or less with a chiller, or for those dirty no chillers (like me) this hop would probably work well as a really late addition or even a 100% cube hop smash.

10min Waimea SMASH anyone? Would go awesome i reckon.

I use lots of Nelson Sauvin and Motueka...It's much closer to Motueka to my palate. Both can have the florally element going on, but NS is way bigger on aroma (as is Citra - unmistakable), whereas this Waimea has that earthy quality to it that NS doesn't have, kind of similar to Motueka, but initially the Waimea is "sweeter"....can't quite put my finger on it. Very weak on the aroma front.

Bottom line is this....if you've brewed with Motueka a fair bit, you'll love this hop as a variant, but i'd recommend to go a bit harder than you normally would as it doesn't come through as much as the AA% would have you believe.

Next time i'm gonna add 25% right across all additions and see how that goes.

Go hard with this hop chaps, she doesn't bite!

This is almost exactly how I would describe Kohatu.

 

[bignath]

UPDATE:

It's been in my keg now for a couple of days, and i'm really enjoying it.

The flavour that's really coming through is Mandarin. There's a nice balanced bitterness to it, although next time im gonna add more of it, but there's a nice sweetness to it that's hard to pinpoint other than to say Mandarin.

Had a funeral yesterday (mother in law) and at the after ceremony back at our house, everyone that had a pint or several, said Mandarin.

Gonna brew it again 'fo shizz'.

 

[Nick JD]

What yeast did you use, Nath?

 

[bignath]

US05

 

[DKS]

Nice work Nath. Sounds good Im gonna double my stock
Daz

 

[krausenhaus]

I'm doing an NZPA this week with Kohatu, Wai-iti and Waimea. Should probably give the Waimea a go on it's own first but what the hell. Haven't used Kohatu either, but it doesn't seem like anything special so I might as well use it in a combo.

So I'm thinking, more heavy-handed on the Kohatu and Waimea than the Wai-iti. Was going to throw a bit of Magnum in at the back, but maybe I should bitter with Waimea instead?

Input from anyone more familiar with NZ hops than I is appreciated.

 

[Mr. No-Tip]

I think I am going to try this hop for my first 10 min APA.

Those who find this is more flavour than aroma...would you say that to the point that dry hop is not worth it?

 

[Rowy]

Tasted my first beer using this hop on Saturday. Ut was beautiful! An APA. I got a bit of citrus and mango from it but not overpowering. This is one great hop. Not as in your face as Galaxy.................just right. I will be brewing heaps with this from now on.

 

[bradsbrew]

Tasted my first beer using this hop on Saturday. Ut was beautiful! An APA. I got a bit of citrus and mango from it but not overpowering. This is one great hop. Not as in your face as Galaxy.................just right. I will be brewing heaps with this from now on.

Rowy, was it a single hop use in the brew or did you use it with others?

Cheers

 

[Rowy]

Single hop Brad...........bloody nice it is.

 

[ploto]

I have a pack of Waimea I am keen to use, but after my experience with Wai-iti (nice but very mild) I am hesitant to go it alone and am wondering what hop might be good to compliment this, even if only for bittering. Would those who've used it go for something clean and piney (like southern cross), or would you think something stronger might better compliment it?

 

[stux]

Just ordered a pound from CB

Would it work well in a Summer Ale (ie NSSA)? Same hopping ratio?

Thoughts?

 

[Ross]

Just ordered a pound from CB

Would it work well in a Summer Ale (ie NSSA)? Same hopping ratio?

Thoughts?

Yes would be excellent. The Waimea Golden Bitter (1 hop 1 grain) has been a big hit in the bars. We don't dry hop it either.