Users Of The "no Chiller Method"

[roach]

inspired by this thread, I jumped on the "Save the Murray No Chiller Bandwagon" and brewed a marzen last night.

After a whirpool and 15 min rest, I dumped the hort wort directly into a sanitised cube, sealed tightly and left overnight to cool outside. This morning I put the cube in the fermentation chest freezer, and will transfer to the fermenter and pitch the yeast when I get around to it sometime in the next week.

If this routine proves successful, I will definitely move to this method permanently. Well at least during the warmer months, where the water temp and chiller only gets the wort down to high twenties at best.

 

[Darren]

For all the "yayers" on this topic. I will make an analogy. Would you have sex with a stranger without a condom just because someone else did and said they didn't get AIDS?
I am sure many practice unsafe sex and don't get AIDS. Doesn't mean AIDS doesn't exist.
I have no doubt that rapid chilling is a scientifically proven part of the brewing process, otherwise why would megabreweries save on their time and water costs and just "miss" this part of the process.
Sometimes you will get away with being lazy or slack. Generally though it will come back and bite you!

cheers
Darren

 

[Pumpy]

This Post is getting bigger than Ben Hur MAH you created a monster !!!!!

Pumpy

 

[Batz]

Sometimes you will get away with being lazy or slack. Generally though it will come back and bite you!

cheers
Darren

[post="116094"][/post]​

Quite possiably right Darren
We have plenty of brewers giving this a go ATM,I hope we recieve just as much feed back,good or bad.
Oh..I am also going to try this next brew

Batz

 

[apd]

For all the "yayers" on this topic. I will make an analogy. Would you have sex with a stranger without a condom just because someone else did and said they didn't get AIDS?
I am sure many practice unsafe sex and don't get AIDS. Doesn't mean AIDS doesn't exist.
I have no doubt that rapid chilling is a scientifically proven part of the brewing process, otherwise why would megabreweries save on their time and water costs and just "miss" this part of the process.
Sometimes you will get away with being lazy or slack. Generally though it will come back and bite you!

cheers
Darren

[post="116094"][/post]​

Darren,

No offense but that's a crap analogy.

HIV = possible loss of life, definite health problems.

No chiller method = possible infected brew or DMS problem = possibly throwing out one batch of beer.

Secondly, as a couple of people have already pointed out, allowing thouasands of litres of hot liquid to cool by itself is not viable for a commercial brewer and commercial brewing practices don't always translate to home brew scale.

Thirdly, we're home brewing! Why do you take it so seriously and feel the need to preach so much? The end product is beer. Who cares how you get there?

 

[Duff]

I thought commercial breweries use Glycol to chill rapidly so they can start fermenting ASAP to keep the swill pouring out the door. But I think at the end of the day, the ESB kits are good proof that this method can work. The dozen or so kits I have made are all excellent quality. Consistently.

Cheers.

 

[Weizguy]

The beer seems to be going OK (krauesen/ tide mark). Will test sample tomorrow and advise.

Hopefully, as the airlock would have trapped any filth, the beer should be good.

This is a fairly rough experiment as I was simulating what a very busy (or lazy , or tired) individual would do. If the result is good, I'll be drinking 25 litres of Irish Red (ag, if anyone cares) within a month.

Seth (it feels good 2 B a brewer)

[post="115843"][/post]​

G'day all,

Just reporting that the beer in the fermentor had very little if any DMS and was not discernibly infected. It still tasted sweet and worty, but otherwise excellent, portending a great Irish Red. Mostly Maris Otter malt, FWIW.

This was a Weizguy progress report on last weekend's "No-chill" brew session.

Seth out

 

[bindi]

My first "no chill" went so well and so easy I am about to weigh up the grains for my first double batch off to buy another cube or two.

 

[Batz]

Oh..I am also going to try this next brew

Batz

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Hell maybe not

Not if you can catch Aids chilling this way :huh:

That's what Darren said wasn't it?

Batz

 

[Thommo]

Batz
That is a typical alarmist response from you. What Darren said was that the type of person who wouldn't chill their wort asap, has mates that are having unprotected sex with any old slapper that turns up!
Nuff said really

[post="116128"][/post]​

But I don't chill my wort ASAP and I....wait, better not admit that in here. :blink:

 

[AndrewQLD]

I agree totally that it now simply an issue of addressing the chance of infection.

Cheers
MAH

I believe the issue of infections has already been addressed by simply wearing a condom.

Cheers
Andrew

 

[Joel]

I believe the issue of infections has already been addressed by simply wearing a condom.

:blink: That'd look a bit odd wouldn't it? :blink: Wearing nothing but a condom while brewing...

Hmmm... I can just imagine fiddling with my hot wort wearing nothing but a dinger... Kinky. B)

 

[Stuster]

Won't the beer taste funny? Plastic taste from the tongue protector? Better to be safe I suppose.

Stuart heads to fridge via medicine cabinet.

 

[warrenlw63]

No glove... No love.

Warren -

 

[Dunkel_Boy]

So to summarise the last 15 pages...

If we don't wear condoms while we chill our wort, we get AIDS.

Sounds fair to me!



On a serious note...
Darren, have you read God's Debris? That kind of coarse analogy would go brilliantly in that short novel; it's packed full of them. Besides, you really need to lighten up - why not try it? If you don't like it, don't do it. You're not preaching to the deaf, you're preaching to the educated/diplomatic/discerning - we know that this is something that will probably work, but there's a decent chance it won't. If we try it, it could fail - and we can simply move on and return to wort chilling. Since you have background in science (I'll assume no engineering in there), you should be all for experimentally determining whether something is good or bad.


Adrian

 

[Kai]

For all the "yayers" on this topic. I will make an analogy. Would you have sex with a stranger without a condom just because someone else did and said they didn't get AIDS?
I am sure many practice unsafe sex and don't get AIDS. Doesn't mean AIDS doesn't exist.
I have no doubt that rapid chilling is a scientifically proven part of the brewing process, otherwise why would megabreweries save on their time and water costs and just "miss" this part of the process.
Sometimes you will get away with being lazy or slack. Generally though it will come back and bite you!

cheers
Darren

[post="116094"][/post]​

Yeah, not to be repetitive but that's a bloody awful analogy daz. I know people pick up HIV by sticking their woowoo in a dirty wawa (or vice versa), but I have not heard of any health issues when using slow-chilled wort. That was my only lingering concern, thanks to the point you raised about anaerobic bacteria. My point is that with the right method in place, I don't think there is any issue with regards to infection.

And with regards to commercial breweries, I reckon the maillard browning involved in having to leave wort that long to cool would be truly impressive.

 

[johnno]

I believe the issue of infections has already been addressed by simply wearing a condom.
Cheers
Andrew

[post="116156"][/post]​

LOL

I can just see it now when I'm Grain and Grape next.

John,Sam or Chris:"Anything else with your order?"

Me:"One pack of Wildride please, it's going to be a heck of a brewing session"

johnno

 

[Darren]

I believe the issue of infections has already been addressed by simply wearing a condom.
Cheers
Andrew

[post="116156"][/post]​

LOL

I can just see it now when I'm Grain and Grape next.

John,Sam or Chris:"Anything else with your order?"

Me:"One pack of Wildride please, it's going to be a heck of a brewing session"

johnno

[post="116195"][/post]​

Johnno,
Good reason to go 3/4 inch disconnects.

cheers
Darren

 

[Dunkel_Boy]

Sweet - differences settled, onward we go. I've always wished I had a 2" disconnect...

 

[sah]

For all the "yayers" on this topic. I will make an analogy. Would you have sex with a stranger without a condom just because someone else did and said they didn't get AIDS?
I am sure many practice unsafe sex and don't get AIDS. Doesn't mean AIDS doesn't exist.

[post="116094"][/post]​

Hi Darren,

HIV/AIDS is with you for life and will most likely kill you. Excessive DMS in a batch (if you can detect it) or a bacterial or wild yeast infection in a batch will last you 2 to 6 weeks and you are over it. If it happens enough it will turn you back to your old ways.

I am going to give it a go, mostly because of the water savings.

Scott