Thanks for the offer Superstock, but I'll pass.. sounds very interesting though.. I just made a stout well more like a dark porter, I don't think I could really call it a stout. I cold steeped some ground coffee with dark roasted oats and added that to my wort.. unfortunately over hopped mine too, due to ****** scales I have which are suppose to measure 1g increments, but I had a whole lot more than 1g on there and it still said 0g.. so I was using hops flowers.. its about as bitter as a fat yak, but no real hop flavour or aroma, just the bitter, a very slight barely perceptible hint of alcohol warmth at the end. Maybe it will get better with age. I'm adding my bulk priming today, think to use LDME instead of Dex, last ditch effort to give more mouth feel.