Sodium Metabisulphite Sterilising Powder

[deebee]

I recently bought a bottle of "Sanitise" - hydrogen peroxide and silver ions - just to try it out. I normally use grumpys one-shot - orthophosphoric acid based. The Sanitise is very easy but really expensive - 30 mls make up a litre. 250ml cost $6.50. That's close enough to 80c a litre.

One shot takes only 5ml per litre and I often make up a big 5litre batch. Cheap.

No problems with its performance, but I can't see myself buying sanitise again.

 

[sosman]

Sodium percarbonate forms a solution of hydrogen peroxide in solution (up to 15%) although it is promoted as a cleaner (I use it for cleaning), it does kill some bugs and is a fungicide. I bought a 25 kg bag for $125 and my missus uses more of it in the laundry than I do for brewing.

IIRC Napisan is about 25% sodium percarbonate, Oxiclean is similar. Unfortunately these things have other ingredients that I am not to sure of in a food environment, especially since I don't like to rinse.

Bottom line is, if you are paying 80c /litre then you're wasting money IMHO.

I found a few places to buy this and phos. acid, checkout brewiki: cleaning and sanitation

PS I also add LABS acid to my cleaning and sanitising solutions, the foam gets in without the need to make 23 litres of solution.

 

[DaveR]

Hi Guys,

I don't think that I will ever have to buy a sanitiser again ever. After seeing the previous posts, I did some research and found a product called "ELIMINATE". It is a commercial grade product used in the dairy industry. It is a lo-foam liquid phosphoric acid. I paid $40 for 5ltr and is diluted @ 20ml for 10 ltr.

so
2ml = 1 ltr
5ltr makes 2500 ltrs
around 1.6 cents a ltr

This stuff apparently is used just like one-shot, just let the solution pass over and no rinse required.

I was lucky to get a 5ltr lot, but the guy said that they are no doing any more 5ltr lots as the dairy farmers need more. Maybe some guys could split a 20l one up. They are $140 for 20l.


url: http://www.dasco.com.au/acidic_products.htm

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Jovial_Monk]

And I sell the phosphoric acid thing 65c cheaper than grumpies

Jovial Monk

 

[sosman]

2ml = 1 ltr
5ltr makes 2500 ltrs
around 1.6 cents a ltr

You can't complain about that. I couldn't find an MSDS at DASCO but I would be suprised if it was phosphoric acid alone if those are the recommended dilutions.

Some of the stronger dairy cleaners add other acids, IIRC such as nitric and oxalic.

 

[DaveR]

It says 709g/L PHOSPHORIC ACID Active Constituent on the 5l container.

Low foaming acid dairy sanitiser.

 

[sosman]

I generally aim for about 0.5-1% phosphoric acid solution. I also add foaming agent to mine deliberately so it gets into all the nooks.

 

[dicko]

Sosman,

What is the foaming agent that you use?

Cheers

 

[DaveR]

It already has a foaming agent in it. I don't know what it is. The instructions say's that 20ml makes 10 ltrs. So I made up a 1 ltr bottle with 20ml, and when I need to make some up I will use 100ml of this for every 1 ltr that I need. They also say you can reuse it too. But at that price, why bother.

 

[sosman]

What is the foaming agent that you use?

I use LABS acid. Its really just a concentrated, unadulterated detergent. The full name is too much of a mouthful.

I bought it from Advance Chemicals. I listed their details (and Hucon's) at
Brewiki: cleaning and sanitation

1 litre will last you a very long time indeed. I don't actually measure it but I aim for roughly 1:10:2000 (LABSAHOS:water). To be honest I taste it to check the dilution. I might have mentioned 2% earlier, I am confusing the amount of phos acid they (used to) put in Coca cola.

On the weekend I cleaned a keg and after letting the foam do its magic I turn it upside down to drain. I wish I had taken some pictures (didn't want to put the beer at risk though) cos when I siphoned the beer into the keg, the foam got pushed out the top and I ended up with a snake of foam about 60cm long.

Since rinsing would kind of defeat the purpose (and I couldn't be bothered), I wouldn't use kitchen detergent due to the smell and other stuff in it, I would just dilute the phos acid and shake it around a lot.

I also keep a spray bottle of ~1% solution handy. Anything that even goes near the beer cops it, including my hands - keep it out of your face though.

 

[Linz]

guys,
Just looked at the link for Dasco and the one I use would be similar to the one listed as "IOPHOS" which is just above the "ELIMINATE"

 

[DaveR]

This is a pic of the container that I got.

Linz, I was going to get the IPHOS one too, but decided not too as it has iodine in it. Don't want the fermenter going a funny colour.

Cheers

 

[tonydav]

I really wish I'd read this thread 3 or 4 weeks ago. I've always used neopink with no issues. Then I read that neopink can damage your keg so when I was at the HBS I was advised to use Sodium Metabisulfate in my keg.

Of course I took this a step further and used it in about 5 batches of brew. 3 were really bad, 1 okay to drink if necessary and 1 fine with a minor blemish.

It had me totally stumped as I'm paranoid about cleaning. Back to the neopink for todays batch......

 

[Ross]

I recently bought a bottle of "Sanitise" - hydrogen peroxide and silver ions - just to try it out. I normally use grumpys one-shot - orthophosphoric acid based. The Sanitise is very easy but really expensive - 30 mls make up a litre. 250ml cost $6.50. That's close enough to 80c a litre.

One shot takes only 5ml per litre and I often make up a big 5litre batch. Cheap.

No problems with its performance, but I can't see myself buying sanitise again.

[post="15372"][/post]​

I use Hysan which is basically the concentrated version of Sanitise - costs $22 for 1L or $80 for 5L. Recommended dilution is 1ml per litre. totally clear/odourless/no rinse. Completely sanitises in 7 mins & can be reused many times...

 

[johnno]

I recently bought a bottle of "Sanitise" - hydrogen peroxide and silver ions - just to try it out. I normally use grumpys one-shot - orthophosphoric acid based. The Sanitise is very easy but really expensive - 30 mls make up a litre. 250ml cost $6.50. That's close enough to 80c a litre.

One shot takes only 5ml per litre and I often make up a big 5litre batch. Cheap.

No problems with its performance, but I can't see myself buying sanitise again.

[post="15372"][/post]​

I use Hysan which is basically the concentrated version of Sanitise - costs $22 for 1L or $80 for 5L. Recommended dilution is 1ml per litre. totally clear/odourless/no rinse. Completely sanitises in 7 mins & can be reused many times...

[post="56513"][/post]​

I use Orthophosphoric acid with some very foamy labs acid mixed in. 1.3 ml per litre and a couple of drops of the Labs in about a 10 litre mix.
The ortho was about $8 for a litre and the labs about $7 for 500 ml. That will last a heck of a long time.

cheers
johnno

 

[Tub]

I use Hysan which is basically the concentrated version of Sanitise - costs $22 for 1L or $80 for 5L. Recommended dilution is 1ml per litre. totally clear/odourless/no rinse. Completely sanitises in 7 mins & can be reused many times...

:blink:

I once asked about whether sanitise could be mixed in a container and saved for future use. General consensus was that its effectiveness would diminish fairly rapidly.

Do you mean that it can be re-used many times in the one session?

PB

 

[Ross]

I use Hysan which is basically the concentrated version of Sanitise - costs $22 for 1L or $80 for 5L. Recommended dilution is 1ml per litre. totally clear/odourless/no rinse. Completely sanitises in 7 mins & can be reused many times...

:blink:

I once asked about whether sanitise could be mixed in a container and saved for future use. General consensus was that its effectiveness would diminish fairly rapidly.

Do you mean that it can be re-used many times in the one session?

PB

[post="56552"][/post]​

Sanitise is a very diluted product, but should still be able to be used quite a few times (just remember it takes 7 mins to fully sterilise). The Hysan is so cheap, that I have 25L made up to double strength in a cube with a tap & pour off into a 2L lemonade bottle for general use - when I've reused this half a dozen times, I just throw away & pour a new bottle...