Small Batch carbing

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  1. chubbytaxman

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    Posted 14/11/17 at 11:52 AM
    Evening Brewers,
    I am looking at doing some small batches - about 10 litres thereabouts and have a question on carbonation.
    With this small of a batch, I want to start with a Dry Stout and bottle (cos it wont fit in a keg :foammug:) so I am confused how I would get the beer in the bottle to act like a beer on nitro (i could lower the carbonation (but to what) and use the syringe trick when pouring.

    As always any input is valued.

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    Posted 14/11/17 at 12:32 PM
    Guinness is served with a 70/30 mix of N2 and CO2. Not sure exactly what's its pre carbed at but I think it's 1.2 volumes. Could be wrong.
     
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    Posted 15/11/17 at 10:47 AM
    Thanks Lionman

    So if I add sugar solution to bottles to get it to the 1.2 volumes mark ... can I use the syringe to "shoot" the beer into the glass to foam up the head? Hope that makes sense :D
     
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    Posted 15/11/17 at 8:25 PM
    sounds about right to me, i use a beer engine however its just an elaborate syringe anyway, you might need to model some king of sparkler on the tip of the syringe however,
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 4:17 AM
    Need a sparkler bottle attachment. push it onto the neck of the bottle and pour it through it to help aerate it.

    Yeah never tried this method. I would be included to maybe up the carb level a bit, but I'm not a big stout drinker so my opinion is probably worthless.
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 8:49 AM
    For dry stout keep the carbonation as low as you can in the bottle, pretty much the same as a fermenter with an airlock and no kitten.

    For a 10L batch you would be better off carbing it and serving from a cube if you have one. The syringe will work best with a lot less co2 than is usual with normal bottle conditioning.

    As far as I know or saw Guinness only ever supplied syringes with bottles not cans. Once the can widget was invented the bottled draught version disappeared. I may be wrong on that though and just missed the syringe widget changeover in cans.
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 8:59 AM
    Why won't it fit in a keg?
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 9:38 AM
    I guess just doesn’t want to tie up a keg half full, or maybe worried about oxygenation?
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 10:28 AM
    Thanks S.E for the input ... I do have a cube but it is a 20L size so oxygenation is a worry .. I assume though just a standard plastic tap on the cube and then the syringe to squirt for the thick head ..
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 10:32 AM
    Hi good4whatAlesU .. I want to do small batches to try and get firstly, a variety of beers - only one of me drinking them ;) and secondly to try to get better at the head atop a pint of Guinness - want to transfer that knowledge to an Irish Red etc then build it up to kegging ..Hope that makes sense
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 12:08 PM
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 7:44 PM
    The little 9.5L kegs are perfect for this type of application.

    I've always had good foam on my stouts, never had to use artificial methods..
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 8:43 PM
    You can get 10L cubes from Bunnings: https://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=water carrier&redirectFrom=Any

    Yes the standard plastic tap is fine. You will need to pop it apart in hot water and smear a little keg lube inside to stop it dripping under pressure.

    Pour from the cube then use the syringe for a creamy head.
     
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    Posted 16/11/17 at 11:02 PM
    Dry Irish through a sparkler. No nitro required.
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    Posted 17/11/17 at 2:19 AM
    What pressure do you use for just co2?
     
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    Posted 17/11/17 at 3:05 AM
    No pressure, it was pulled from the cube pictured below with a beer engine and sparkler. As this is a 20L cube it has a collapsible bag of co2 attached so co2 is drawn in to replace the beer as it’s dispensed.

    You won’t get a head as thick and creamy as the one above with a syringe but it will be near enough.
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    Posted 17/11/17 at 3:29 AM
    splendid cascading head forming there SE. :foammug:
     
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    Posted 17/11/17 at 5:16 AM
    It’s not actually the best example. A bit too much head.

    I brewed a batch in September with a perfect tight Guinness like head but don’t seem to have taken any photos.
     

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