Selling My Homebrew

[bradsbrew]

Sign on footpath outside OP's house "HAVE BEER, WILL SWAP FOR PUSSY. MUST BE HOUSE-TRAINED". :lol:

Grumpy Pete.

Mate can you cut a stencil for that?? Have a perfect place to paint that on Saturday :lol: :lol:

 

[TidalPete]

Mate can you cut a stencil for that?? Have a perfect place to paint that on Saturday :lol: :lol:

No stencil Brad but lots of old paint? :lol:

Grumpy Pete.

 

[absinthe]

Video and software piracy is illegal... Doesn't stop traders from openly selling pirated material at the markets.

yeah but the ATO doesn't get a huge amount of $$$$ taxing the production and sale of it (only a small $)


i have been looking into this myself try this site to get all the licences etc you need to apply for in your area (this ones for VIC but im sure theres site the same for all states) http://www.business.vic.gov.au/BUSVIC/LANDING/SEC05.html

the thing i don't get is how EASY it is to make and sell wine if you grow some for your own grapes and turn over less than like $100,000 a year.. you only need a cellar door license (unless you want to sell to drink on the premises) i think its about $100 a year and a visit form the heath inspector.

beer needs Excise Licences, Permission to Dispose, Deposit or Discharge Material onto Council Land or Drain,Food Safety Supervisor Qualification and Training, Registration of Food Premises, Registration of a Business Name.

At least

edit: crap forgot the link AGAIN

 

[roo_dr]

If you've got your heart set on selling cheap beer to hard-up students, there is a simple and very legal way... Get a job with mega-swill corp., who already have all the licenses / producing / packaging / distribution networks set up. :icon_drunk:

You can then relax in your cloud of smug, knocking back some quality home-brewed product at your leisure. (You also may, or may not, have access to massive amounts of "discounted" raw materials for producing this h34r: !!)

 

[Hatchy]

Does anyone know roughly what it would cost to get a legitimate micro brewery started? The simple & quick answer to this question is "more than I can afford". There's more issues here than liquor licencing & the ato. Speaking for myself, I struggle to make enough beer for me, I'm certainly not in a position to start selling it. Having said that, wouldn't it be great if we could all have our own cellar door sales?

I've always thought it would be good for a laugh to stand for parliament. Should we have a brewers party for the next federal election? Would we win a seat? Almost certainly not. Assuming we did win a seat, could we make a difference? Almost certainly not. Would we have fun trying? I reckon we would.

There's a federal election due later this year. If the brewers of Australia are keen to mount a campaign then I'm happy to stand for hindmarsh (it's a safe labor seat, I won't win it).

I possibly should've reread the rules around politics before posting this but I've had a few & can't be bothered. We've got a state election here this weekend & every stobie pole in Adelaide has a poster for some bloke who reckons abortions should be illegal. My personal opinion is that the blokes mum should've a) swallowed or B) aborted.

Apologies if I'm pushing this thread off topic but we do live in a democratic country where any citizen can stand for parliament (if they can afford it). Does anyone else want to live in a country where the brewers get a say in legislation?

 

[bill_gill85]

Not directly beer related, but does anyone know how charging for the use of facilities on a residential property may work? Say provide an "Off campus Common Area" that requires some sort of membership.

This membership would entitle the member to access to an area where food & beverages may be available, or where food may be prepared & beverages consumed.

In the interests of members safety, some details might need to be collected to verify age & ensure that minors are not allowed access.
The only thing being sold is a service, which is providing a location for students to unwind.

Any thoughts?

 

[Supra-Jim]

billgill, i know you're probably just thinking out loud, but here's my take on it.

I would say your local council have something to say about that idea. Currently your property is most likely zoned as "residential" so if you were running any business or club on the premisis the council would techinically have issues about it. You would have to make an application to the council and your neighbours would get the right to object.

If alcoholic beverages are to be consumed/supplied on site, i think you'll some form of liquor license and that's the difficultly, esp here in Victoria, where laws are being tightened up to control alcohol related issues. Currently if you have alcohol being served and live or amplified music you need security on hand.

When you consider all of the requirements it starts to get complicated. Remember to that sporting clubs get to do what they do because the primary existance is playing sport/providing a means for the community to play sport. The socialising and supply of alcohol is generally used to support the existance of the sporting organisation. Point being these types of orgs exist to provide a service to the community. A 'club' on a residential property where you could go and drink cheap/homemade booze, woulds be viewed very differently.

Remember too, it's all well and good when your mates sitting around your backyard a few beers, but take for a minute the thought of trouble makers who might want to attend/join. You see often enough in the news about 16/18/birthday parties going horribly wrong, because some gate crashers wouldn't take no for answer. This is why you would need licensing, security, public liability insurance, et etc etc.

Just my 2c

Cheers SJ

 

[drew9242]

There is a reason why you cant get cheap beer at a pub or club. By the time they you add up all there license costs, secruity, training, and all other little things that pop up you have to charge more on beer. Now this is just a pub, if you produce it to sell. Well you get even more red tape, and cost rise even more. I myself dont know of any craft beers that are cheap. Due to the fact they have to go through all the red tape and pay for all the licenses. And to make themselves viable they need to charge that much. Even though they would produce it cheaper then we can at home (if you don't count brewers time).

What i'm trying to get at is it is a great idea and i think many have thought of it. However if you go through all the right measures your beer won't be cheep anymore, and that defeats the purpose.

Your only option would be like some have stated, is teach them how to brew and let them use your gear for a price and they brew some up. But even then if you want to go public you have some hurdles to jump.

 

[Fents]

If only you all knew the heartache that micro brewerys go through. (just going through it all now again with kooinda)

usually i would enlighten everyone but i cant sit here typing it all out for the next two hours.

 

[HoppingMad]

Sorry to hear Fents.

Kooinda are one example of a Micro starting up in a residential premises. I've always wondered how on earth the council allowed it and am amazed you guys had such good neighbours that no one took issue.

I know years back the Mountain goat boys were doing their startup brews in a residential place in prahran and it took months of negotiation with people in the street and council to get it allowed. They only got it through as it was considered 'temporary' until they found a place bigger than their garage to brew in and assured everyone they weren't serving from the house.

The pain in the arse red tape to consider:
- Council/Planning
- Licensing
- Excise/ATO Tax
- Health & Safety & safe disposal of material
- Calibration of equipment/tanks

The list goes on. Have looked into this in a fair bit of detail - plenty of hoops to jump through to get it rolling.
Take short cuts and you come unstuck.

Hopper.

 

[pyrobrewer]

Not directly beer related, but does anyone know how charging for the use of facilities on a residential property may work? Say provide an "Off campus Common Area" that requires some sort of membership.

This membership would entitle the member to access to an area where food & beverages may be available, or where food may be prepared & beverages consumed.

In the interests of members safety, some details might need to be collected to verify age & ensure that minors are not allowed access.
The only thing being sold is a service, which is providing a location for students to unwind.

Any thoughts?

Its called Brew on Premise licence, find out about it here
http://ato.gov.au/content/downloads/bus33165n5904.pdf
This entitles a member of the public to use commercial equipment to brew beer for home consumption - not for sale

Not quite sure what it is you want to do but you may need a Licence to manufacture

First hurdle is Local council
You have to establish a Food preparation facility to commercial standards and have it passed By the EHO's and the plumbing dept (dont think this is easy it took 6 months.)

Then Applications to the ATO (which are free!) Excise application, BOP Application, Consent to criminal history check, consent to personal check, consent to company check, Certificates of callibration for vessels and test equipment, Detailed premise plans Details of ABN and bank account ....

Then the really fun bit depending on your state, Licence to sell, could take Years!!

 

[.DJ.]

and you'd need public and products liability insurance.. what if you make an badly infected batch and someone becomes very ill or dies.. you have some serious legal issues if you dont have insurance...

 

[devo]

you can sell it from home if you don't mind doing it illegally and willing to wear the consequences when the ATO come knocking on your door.

 

[~MikE]

Well excuse me for having an idea to make lots of cheap drinkable beer to feed to poor uni students and not thinking it through in the slightest.

let's just get one thing straight here. you don't actually give two shits about uni students. you've noticed a potential cash cow and want to make $$$.

the only thing making your plan competitive is selling it illegally to avoid paying the excise, because this would push the price up too high, and they'd be like "**** that, gimme some goon". so no, you can't sell it legally, nor do you want to because it defeats the purpose.

 

[Phoney]

1. Put a sign out the front of your house saying "FREE BEER" then in fine print underneath, "Conditions: girls only, it must be drunk in my backyard, and in your underwear".
2. Then sell backyard entry tickets to guys.
3. ????
4. PROFIT

 

[Fents]

1. Put a sign out the front of your house saying "FREE BEER" then in fine print underneath, "Conditions: girls only, it must be drunk in my backyard, and in your underwear".
2. Then sell backyard entry tickets to guys.
3. YOUTUBE
4. PROFIT

fixd for you.

 

[Supra-Jim]

1. Put a sign out the front of your house saying "FREE BEER" then in fine print underneath, "Conditions: girls only, it must be drunk in my backyard, and in your underwear".
2. Then sell backyard entry tickets to guys.
3. ????
4. PROFIT

You fine print is missing a pretty important qualifier, "you must be this hot (insert pic of suitable hotness) to enter" otherwise it may get messy (in a bad way, see here ) and you won't sell any tickets. :icon_cheers:

Cheers SJ

 

[schooey]

1. Put a sign out the front of your house saying "FREE BEER" then in fine print underneath, "Conditions: girls only, it must be drunk in my backyard, and in your underwear".
2. Then sell backyard entry tickets to guys.
3. ????
4. PROFIT

Aren't there already places like this? I think they go more like this though...

1. Put an imaginary sign out the front of your club saying "Free Drugs" and put a real sign saying "Bada Bing" Then in unspoken fineprint, mention "Conditions: girls only, must be taken off premises, and in your own time".
2. Then sell entry tickets to guys.
3. Massively inflate your drink prices
4. PROFIT

 

[zoidbergmerc]

Nah, the way my front door works is that if your nose touches the door before your tits do you can't get in.

 

[absinthe]

Nah, the way my front door works is that if your nose touches the door before your tits do you can't get in.

you need to go on a diet then if you can get in.. or do you use the back door?