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yeah maybe, it definitely is a microcosm - the anti-abortion road signs give it away. My main point is that the LNP and KAP didn't number one nation on their how to vote cards, but Labor did. I don't think individual thought is common in Gatton & Laidley.
Every time I drive through there on my way to Toowoomba I think to myself "can't stop here, this is god country"
 
I think Greece would just like to go back to the way it was before joining the EU borrowing money and then having to repay it sits about as well with the Greek population as having to pay taxes.

As for the uranium and nuclear power sure I read that within the next 18 years we will be drawing uranium from seawater giving us billions of years of supply, we can't ignore the advances in technology and the speed with which it advances in America they have a hydrogen plant which is powered by the sun, we only have to look at Masdar city and what can be achieved now, imagine what another 20 or 30 years will bring us
 
wide eyed and legless said:
I think Greece would just like to go back to the way it was before joining the EU borrowing money and then having to repay it sits about as well with the Greek population as having to pay taxes.

As for the uranium and nuclear power sure I read that within the next 18 years we will be drawing uranium from seawater giving us billions of years of supply, we can't ignore the advances in technology and the speed with which it advances in America they have a hydrogen plant which is powered by the sun, we only have to look at Masdar city and what can be achieved now, imagine what another 20 or 30 years will bring us
And a retirement age of 55..
Ever been to Greece? May have just been the places we visited, but overall the impression I took away was one of a 'relaxed' attitude toward work. Not implying Greeks are slackers, mind you.
Where would we be today without the great thinkers like Socrates and Hippocrates, or the musical stylings of Yanni or Nana Mouskouri?

Fusion energy FTW..
 
Went to Corfu and mainland Greece I must say the lifestyle and the island was laid back, I hired a motor scooter on the mainland and when I took it there was a lot of hair pulling (their own) screaming and shouting pointing at where the number plates had been, so someone's nicked the plates, no big deal, but the deal was it was the police who had confiscated the plates for illegal parking.

Cold fusion is another source high on the agenda.
 
Fusion is 30 years away... always has been and probably always will be (though there have been a few breakthroughs recently so maybe...just maybe...).

Uranium from seawater: HAHAHAHHAHAHA. Need to put more energy in to extract it than you get out. Not energetically feasible. Otherwise nations without our huge reserves but with a coastline would already be doing it. Likewise gold from seawater which has been bandied about since the 1800s. Deuterium from seawater to power fusion on the other hand is very doable but all current fusion schemes use tritium as well which is much harder to get hold of.

Cold fusion: Fantasy. Pure fantasy. Mixed with a bunch of bad science and whacko conspiracy theories (the oil companies are suppressing it dude).
 
Airgead said:
Fusion is 30 years away... always has been and probably always will be (though there have been a few breakthroughs recently so maybe...just maybe...).


Cold fusion: Fantasy. Pure fantasy. Mixed with a bunch of bad science and whacko conspiracy theories (the oil companies are suppressing it dude).
Mate,
Cold Fusion is coming later this year.
We've known that since 1985.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYoq6vIVXc
 
Where's my hoverboard? I want my hoverboard!
 
Uranium from seawater has already been accomplished and as technology progresses will become a lot more feasible, remember when they said shale oil would never be attainable, to expensive, by processing shale oil America now produces more gas and oil than Russia and Saudi Arabia together.

'If all the world were sceptical at who would sceptics scoff'
 
franks said:
Not agreeing with nuclear proponents, but this is a bit of a red herring.

In the 60s the world only had copper resources that would last us ~50 years at that rate of consumption. The consumption has obviously increased dramatically and there are now ~70 odd years worth of inferred resources. This has mainly come on the back of improved geological models and extractive capabilities.

If there was a need for it it could be found.
Same things said about oil reserves too. Yet ATM it's @ $1p/l .
FTW!
 
The geopolitics of oil prices are interesting... Shale oil is only economically feasible at around $80/bl. The Opec nations (Lead by the saudis) have ramped up production ahead of demand to artificially depress the oil price and drive their competitors out of business. To do that they are taking at least a US$40B hit on their budget this year alone (just for Saudi).

So yes, shape oil is feasible but only at high prices. Which interestingly is exactly what they peak oil folks were predicting as a really good indicator of the peak being well and truly hit - previously non feasible sources become feasible because the price is sustainable high. Apart from this recent blip which is more politics than markets (and is not sustainable beyond a year or so), the peak predictions are spot on.

The peak can last a long time before the decline depending on how desperate we are and how many unconventional sources we tap as the price rises. Trouble is, the linger the peak, the sharper the decline.

Copper is a really good example. As the supply has dwindled, the price has gone up which has made poorer quality ore bodies feasible for extraction. But poor quality pores produce more expensive copper so the price stays high regardless of how much extra supply there is. Just ask a plumber about the cost of copper.

Uranium from seawater - yes. Can be done. Has been done. But not in a way that will get more energy pout than you put in to do the extraction.Energy return on investment (EROI) is the key thing to consider for all these schemes. Uranium from seawater has a negative EROI due to basic electrochemistry. The concentration ios so low you would have to process 20,200,000,000,000 litres of water each year to match current production. That's a lot of water.

Consider that
the present worldwide production of nuclear energy is about 2.5 × 103
TWh (terawatt-hour) per year
[7] and that we need to process 2 × 1013 tons of water per year (see Table 2) to produce a sufficient
amount of uranium. Therefore, the “energy density” of seawater in terms of energy that can be
produced by the present nuclear technology is about 0.1 kWh/ton. If we need 2.5 kWh/ton for
extraction then the EROEI is less than 0.1 and the process has no practical interest as a source of fuel
for fission plants. This result agrees with previous estimations based on different considerations that
led to the same conclusion
My source - http://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/2/4/980/pdf&hl=en&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm39tjUH9yrZ_DiR5iiChLe_9G4MOg&nossl=1&oi=scholarr&ei=QA7QVPqVCIbd8AXtmYKYCg&ved=0CBsQgAMoADAA
(apologies for the crap URL). Its a paper by Bardi published in the Sustainability journal in 2010.
 
The fact that firing a well placed neutron the size of about 50 trillionths of a meter radius into an equally tiny bunch of U-235 isotopes can liberate energy measured in the thousand of tones of TNT makes me somewhat open minded as to whats achievable when nuclear physicists really get those propellers on their hats spinning.
Its the future.
Unless you Luddites with your sun reflectors and 18th century fan powered dynamos don't smash the labs first.
 
The physics of the process are indeed amazing. its the practicalities that are the problem. Once you get beyond the physics and into the engineering and start working out what you need to do to make it work large scale (like where do we store the 6g/second - 520kg/day - of high level waste that a 1gw reactor creates and how do we store it safe for ten times longer then modern civilisation has existed) Likewise the physics of fusion and antimatter. Again... a few practical problems get in the way.

I'm sure fusion will happen some day. Both major contenders now have reached energy parity (as much out as you put in) excluding fuel processing and manufacture but still a longs ways to go before anything useful. We need solutions quickly so existing technologies that don't take 20 years to build out. That means PV, solar thermal and wind. Plus geothermal where its practical.

BTW - photovoltaics make use of a punch of really cool quantum phenomena so hardly 18th century...
 
I cant work this back on topic necessarily but I bought a 2tb external HD for about $130.
Its about the size of a pack of smokes. I don't know **** about how it works but I'm impressed that I can sit there holding a trillion of anything, in this case, bytes in the palm of my hand.
Take that Commodore 64.
 
Now apply that pattern to solar technology!

+100 to what Airgeard was saying.

Solution = Science + Economics

Fwiw, solar power *is* fusion power. There's a massive fusion reactor 150 million km's away and we're capturing the released radiant energy from it :lol:

Science and advancements in new technology FTW!!
 
Dave70 said:
I cant work this back on topic necessarily but I bought a 2tb external HD for about $130.
Its about the size of a pack of smokes. I don't know **** about how it works but I'm impressed that I can sit there holding a trillion of anything, in this case, bytes in the palm of my hand.
Take that Commodore 64.
I thought the topic was about how to do a good lamb roast! : (
 
2much2spend said:
I thought the topic was about how to do a good lamb roast! : (
I think the" lamb "is about to be roasted, a lot of people ain't happy !.
 
spog said:
I think the" lamb "is about to be roasted, a lot of people ain't happy !.
And a lot of people are happy... Julie Bishop and Dennis Jensen are a couple that spring to mind.
 
A lot of people wouldn't be happy including labour voters, we had enough of the changing of jockeys during the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd era.
Back on the Queensland elections looking very much like a hung government, unfortunate for Queenslanders.
 
I don't have an issue with a hung parliament. Would prefer more minor/independents in the mix though.
 
Here's a photo that says it all. Interesting week coming up.

abbott turnbull bishop.jpeg
 
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