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The last 2 pale beers (say 7srm or less) I’ve done have had some pretty weird off flavours… I think “vegetal” not sure about how this has occurred. Not grassy definitely a cooked vegetable flavour, rounded, not sharp and grassy.
Been reading a bit about 2 possible causes:
1. Leaving hops in the fermenter throughout fermentation
2. DMS production from Lightly kilned malts and No chill
Firstly, the leaving of hops in the fermenter issue. I’ve done this a number of times, both with Pale (7srm) beers and others (say 12srm and over). I NC cube hop most beers. I always just chuck all the contents of the cube in the fermenter onto a healthy starter. The only times I’ve had off flavours is as above…ie if I’ve been using a high % of lightly kilned malts such as pilsner or pale malt, resulting in light coloured beers.
This brings me to issue no. 2…DMS production. Some of the reading I’ve been doing leads me to consider that paler malts, pilsner malt specifically leads to higher levels of DMS. Now… I tend to boil for 75 – 90 mins in attempts to drive the precursors of DMS off. However something is still going wrong. My fermentations always kick off pretty quickly, so any more DMS left should (theoretically) also get driven off by a health robust fermentation.
If I’ve always done the cube hop thing with light, medium and dark beers. So if I’m only picking up off flavours in the light beers, then there is 2 possibilities;
1. the off flavours are being masked by the darker beers, or;
2. the malt profile of the lighter malts puls the no chilling is creating DMS (I think) or some other cause of the Vegetal flavour.
The latest “Vegetal” beer was Tony’s Bright Ale which through my system was done with 68.75% Weyermann Pilsner came out at 3.8 SRM or 7.6EBC. Only been in the keg a week… hoping it will mellow out in time with a bit of lagering.
Anybody else experience this?… or any suggestions as to what’s going on?
Been reading a bit about 2 possible causes:
1. Leaving hops in the fermenter throughout fermentation
2. DMS production from Lightly kilned malts and No chill
Firstly, the leaving of hops in the fermenter issue. I’ve done this a number of times, both with Pale (7srm) beers and others (say 12srm and over). I NC cube hop most beers. I always just chuck all the contents of the cube in the fermenter onto a healthy starter. The only times I’ve had off flavours is as above…ie if I’ve been using a high % of lightly kilned malts such as pilsner or pale malt, resulting in light coloured beers.
This brings me to issue no. 2…DMS production. Some of the reading I’ve been doing leads me to consider that paler malts, pilsner malt specifically leads to higher levels of DMS. Now… I tend to boil for 75 – 90 mins in attempts to drive the precursors of DMS off. However something is still going wrong. My fermentations always kick off pretty quickly, so any more DMS left should (theoretically) also get driven off by a health robust fermentation.
If I’ve always done the cube hop thing with light, medium and dark beers. So if I’m only picking up off flavours in the light beers, then there is 2 possibilities;
1. the off flavours are being masked by the darker beers, or;
2. the malt profile of the lighter malts puls the no chilling is creating DMS (I think) or some other cause of the Vegetal flavour.
The latest “Vegetal” beer was Tony’s Bright Ale which through my system was done with 68.75% Weyermann Pilsner came out at 3.8 SRM or 7.6EBC. Only been in the keg a week… hoping it will mellow out in time with a bit of lagering.
Anybody else experience this?… or any suggestions as to what’s going on?