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wide eyed and legless said:
And the fundamental difference between the labor party and the liberal party, liberals can stop the boats.
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The federal government's claim that it "stopped the boats" has been called into doubt by analysis showing asylum seeker arrivals slowed dramatically after the former Labor government toughened its border stance, suggesting the Coalition "vastly overrated" its contribution.
The analysis, by former Immigration Department chief John Menadue and Australian National University migration expert Peter Hughes, shows the drop-off began immediately after former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced in mid 2013 that asylum seekers who arrived on unauthorised boats would never be resettled in Australia.
 
wide eyed and legless said:
Even socialists and communist as they get higher up the chain give away the ideals they were brought up to believe in, the last 2 premiers of China are worth billions, and then there is Putin, they are all in it for an individual goal.

And the fundamental difference between the labor party and the liberal party, liberals can stop the boats.
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Do you realise that I'm mostly agreeing with you regarding Obama and religion? I'm just not prepared to claim it as irrefutable fact.

Putin and Chinese Premiers have nothing to with the mechanics of any social philosophy. A person eschewing particular ideals or not holding those views in the first place has no effect on the tenets of any theoretical social system. Russia and China have nothing to do with any of the range of socialist possibilities. This is the reason why the 'Obama is a socialist' claim is less than spurious.

The last line of your post is nothing more than a straw man.
 
The bronwyn bishop thread veered widely through an array of topics but was at least mostly about Australian political/sociopolitical issues.
This thread is supposed to be about a recent school shooting in the USA. While some topic divergence is interesting and inevitable, please try and remain somewhat faithful to the intention of the OP and steer clear of too much he said/she said/labor vs LNP that is present in the other thread.

Yes this is an official request to stay mildly on topic.
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Manticle, that's fair enough. The power of the American gun lobby is something those outside of the USA find difficult to comprehend. Yet, here we are saying the PUSA should just do something about it.
 
What chance has Obama of changing gun laws with nuts like these ? I wonder what % of the US population believe the Federal Govt is out to get them, and are armed accordingly.

As the sheriff in Douglas County, Oregon, John Hanlin was front and center following Thursday's shooting at Umpqua Community College.
Two years ago, Hanlin was one of hundreds of sheriffs around the country to vow to stand against new gun control legislation. In a January 15, 2013, letter to Vice President Joe Biden, he wrote, "Gun control is NOT the answer to preventing heinous crimes like school shootings."
The sheriff also warned the vice president that “any federal regulation enacted by Congress or by executive order of the president offending the constitutional rights of my citizens shall not be enforced by me or by my deputies, nor will I permit the enforcement of any unconstitutional regulations or orders by federal officers within the borders of Douglas Country Oregon.”
Three days before that letter was released, Mr. Hanlin shared a link on his personal Facebook page to a YouTube video, which suggested that the shootings at Sandy Hook — and the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — might have been staged by the federal government to provide a pretext for “disarming the public” through gun control legislation. In a comment imploring his Facebook friends to watch that video, whose producer claims that the parents of children “allegedly shot” at Sandy Hook were actors, the sheriff wrote, “This makes me wonder who we can trust anymore.”
 


Jim Jefferies on US gun laws (**** because of the swears)........Makes some very good points. The whole thing is worth looking up.

As someone who enjoys a bit of hunting, I think our laws are about spot on. There's nothing stopping me getting the appropriate rifle to shoot anything from a rabbit (love my CZ.17) to the biggest stag on this island.

If sitting on a bench rest and shooting groups all day is your thing, there's nothing stopping you doing that either, with either a rifle or a handgun.

Just a few checks and balances along the way. I always raise my eyebrows a tad when I hear our gun laws are restricting my freedom.

And OT......you mainland residents are getting gouged on goat meat. I picked up a whole carcass of boer capretto for $120. Crossbred carcass' are available most weekends here in Lonny at around $100.
 
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Our gun laws in no way, shape or from restrict our freedom, and I cant see how people make that link
 
Ducatiboy stu said:
Our gun laws in no way, shape or from restrict our freedom, and I cant see how people make that link
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Senator Leyonjhelm (spelling?) would like a word with you.

The one thing that dicks like him who take the "more guns would've stopped that shooting" approach seem to assume is that everyone out there is willing to take a shot at a fellow human. Not something I'd ever want to do. But libertarians like him must be endowed with some sort of dirty harry gene the rest of us don't have.
 
I need a gun to protect me from the government, i need something with a range of 8km so I can take out that gunship shooting at me.
 
wide eyed and legless said:
So the ploy of being a Christian was a means to an end, much like the Catholic Priests, who claim to be Christian and go through holy orders in their ultimate goal to sodomize young boys.
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Those priests that are choc'o'block up young boys are still very much Christians, even if you claim they are not.
 
wide eyed and legless said:
Then show me where I claimed they were not.
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Here

So the ploy of being a Christian was a means to an end, much like the Catholic Priests, who claim to be Christian and go through holy orders in their ultimate goal to sodomize young boys
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wide eyed and legless said:
QUOTE:- much like Catholic Priests, who claim to be Christian........

Doesn't read to me that I am claiming they are not.
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It was your implication. Stop playing word games.

much like the Catholic Priests, who claim to be Christian
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sounds very much like you are claiming them not to be. If you weren't claiming them not to be Christian, then what were you insinuating by "who claim to be Christian"?
 
wide eyed and legless said:
QUOTE:- much like Catholic Priests, who claim to be Christian........

Doesn't read to me that I am claiming they are not.
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Yes, but you wrote it :)

Your good WEAL
 
Not a word game look up the definition of claim.

claim verb (SAY)
B2 [T] to say that something is ​true or is a ​fact, ​although you cannot ​prove it and other ​people might not ​believe it:
If I wanted to put that sentence in the context you would like then I would have wrote:- 'Catholic Priests who claim to be Christian but they are not' but I didn't write that :p
 
wide eyed and legless said:
Not a word game look up the definition of claim.
claim verb (SAY)
B2 [T] to say that something is ​true or is a ​fact, ​although you cannot ​prove it and other ​people might not ​believe it:
If I wanted to put that sentence in the context you would like then I would have wrote:- 'Catholic Priests who claim to be Christian but they are not' but I didn't write that :p
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So what were you implying by "who claim to be Christian"? Catholic priests who claim to be Christian, but...?
 

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