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[Meddo]

They are just not that sanitary. If you are using valves for brewing you really need to go with the butterfly valves. In my opinion there is no substitute.

Even with the cavity filler? I hate all the ball valves I've owned and replaced every one in my brewery with diaphragms or butterflies, but the cavity-filler versions seem like they'd at least be a massive step up on the standard ones even if not as good as butterflies or diaphragms.

And for the little extra bit of PTFE it doesn't seem like they'd be significantly more expensive to manufacture?

 

[Meddo]

Got a link to one of these meddo? I can't wrap my head around how they work....

Hey mate, pictures explain it best - check out the images here.

Basically, instead of there being two PTFE discs holding the ball in the valve body, the two PTFE pieces are extended to fully encapsulate the ball so that there is no cavity for fluid to get trapped in behind it. There can still be fluid within the ball itself when it's closed, but there's no cavity behind it like you find in every ball valve supplied for home brewing that I've come across - it's this cavity that makes standard ball valves completely unsuitable for sanitary CIP systems, they need to be dismantled to be cleaned properly.

Image from here: https://cfmsd.com/page_Habonim-Industrial-Valves.cfm

 

[mfroes]

@KegLand-com-au do you intend to get some sort of CIP system for keg washing and sanitising ?
i find it very hard to clean and sanitise 50l kegs.

 

[CJW]

@KegLand-com-au do you intend to get some sort of CIP system for keg washing and sanitising ?
i find it very hard to clean and sanitise 50l kegs.

Or maybe the submersible sump pump suitable for CIP, and the other thing that would be good is submersible glycol pumps similar to the SS Brewtek ones with their chiller.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Or maybe the submersible sump pump suitable for CIP, and the other thing that would be good is submersible glycol pumps similar to the SS Brewtek ones with their chiller.

We have no plans to get into submersible pumps right at this moment but it's something that we will consider moving forward.

We do supply the g40 glycol chillers to www.morebeer.com in America and I believe they do change these glycol chillers over so they can be used to control various pumps for chilling fermenters. With that said in my opinion when it comes to chililng fermenters the best possible option is just to use a modified fridge so you ferment in a fridge. This gives you better control of temperatuer.

Even with a relatively powerful glycol chiller like the g40 it's hard to crash chill fermenters to sub zero temperatures like the SS Brewtech ones. They are simply not well insulated enough. So you end up with a lot of heat ingress. The other problem is when you have poorly insulated fermenters and get a lot of heat ingress you will end up with convection currents in the fermenter. These currents significantly reduc the speed at which the yeast will settle out of suspension. This is also something that many customers are not aware of and they wonder why the beer in their stainless conical never clears up.

So although we do sell the g40 chillers like these ones:
https://www.kegland.com.au/icemaster-g40-icebank-glycol-chiller-digital.html
I would not recommend unless you have great fermenter insulation. For instance if you get a proper stainless conical that has 50mm polyurethan insulation then this will work well but these small stainless home brew fermenters just go with the fridge. You will also use a lot less power too.

 

[phildo]

Beer line 4mm ID how long until you have stock?

 

[andyt23]

They are just not that sanitary. If you are using valves for brewing you really need to go with the butterfly valves. In my opinion there is no substitute.

But Robobrews obviously use ball valves..? I'm surprised to hear you say they're no good for brewing. Is there something I'm missing?

 

[S.E]

But Robobrews obviously use ball valves..? I'm surprised to hear you say they're no good for brewing. Is there something I'm missing?

Probably talking about using ball valves in cold side brewing like on fermenters etc. Not so bad used hot side on a kettle or Robobrew as the boiling wort will sanitise it.

 

[beachy]

Probably talking about using ball valves in cold side brewing like on fermenters etc. Not so bad used hot side on a kettle or Robobrew as the boiling wort will sanitise it.

That is true if you no chill but if using the immersion chiller supplied with the robobrew the wort will go through the ball valve at close to pitching temp.

 

[S.E]

That is true if you no chill but if using the immersion chiller supplied with the robobrew the wort will go through the ball valve at close to pitching temp.

The tap will have been heated for at least an hour during the boil prior to chilling. I always re- circulate near boiling wort through my ball valve after whirlpool for at least 10 mins before chilling.

 

[Roosterboy]

Hey Kegland , what is going on with phosphoric sanitizer at the moment? Why is there a shortage?

 

[KegLand-com-au]

That is true if you no chill but if using the immersion chiller supplied with the robobrew the wort will go through the ball valve at close to pitching temp.

That's exactly correct.

When you are talking about a fermenter you need to use a butterfly valve as this is where the real risk of infection is.

If you are talking about the Robobrew they get up to boiling temperatures so ball valves are perfectly fine.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Hey Kegland , what is going on with phosphoric sanitizer at the moment? Why is there a shortage?

The shortage is almost over. We are getting the first shipment in stock on the 24th April.

I should also say that we are making our own version of Powdered Brewery Wash too so this will be available in June onwards.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Kegland, hope you bring out the 50 + kegmenters again , I need more.

Good luck with the venture.

We are in the process of making a couple slightly different designs. We are making a new 29L Kegmenter and also a new 58L kegmenter.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Beer line 4mm ID how long until you have stock?

With regards to beer line. The old beer line that we used to have was not that good and some customers complained about the Keg King beer line. So with KegLand we are in the process of developing a new type of beer line and it's taken us a bit longer than we though to finish. We are making a double walled beer line where we have EVA extruded with another higher density polymer as the inner liner. To be honest it's the same thing that you see with Valpar Superflex beer line. So we are using a similar type of technology in our new beer line.

This new beer line will be available in a few weeks time and this will be the 4mm ID stuff that we sell moving forward.

Also the other thing is that we are going to have much better tolerance on the OD of the beer line. I know that a lot of people are using the push in fittings in the past and if the OD is not absolutely perfect then you can have leaks. So this is also something we wanted to imrove before we released our new beer line.

The tap will have been heated for at least an hour during the boil prior to chilling. I always re- circulate near boiling wort through my ball valve after whirlpool for at least 10 mins before chilling.

Yes this is a very good idea. Also to re-ciculate the boiling wort through your chiller or boil your chiller is also a good idea depending on what chiller type you are using.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

@KegLand-com-au do you intend to get some sort of CIP system for keg washing and sanitising ?
i find it very hard to clean and sanitise 50l kegs.

We have looked at this in the past. We will definitely make a CIP recirculating system but we have a few other projects that we are trying to finish first such as the:

Fermentasaurus 2
New type of Grain Mills
New Temp Controllers
New fermenting fridges
New design of CO2 regulator

So we already have a few things that are ahead of the CIP system in our product development at the moment.

 

[sbowler]

We have looked at this in the past. We will definitely make a CIP recirculating system but we have a few other projects that we are trying to finish first such as the:

Fermentasaurus 2
New type of Grain Mills
New Temp Controllers
New fermenting fridges
New design of CO2 regulator

So we already have a few things that are ahead of the CIP system in our product development at the moment.

Sounds cool. Can you share anything in the differences between the fermentasaurus v1 and v2?

 

[CJW]

We have looked at this in the past. We will definitely make a CIP recirculating system but we have a few other projects that we are trying to finish first such as the:

Fermentasaurus 2
New type of Grain Mills
New Temp Controllers
New fermenting fridges
New design of CO2 regulator

So we already have a few things that are ahead of the CIP system in our product development at the moment.

I am keen to hear about fermentation fridge, any info you can share?

 

[KegLand-com-au]

I am keen to hear about fermentation fridge, any info you can share?

The fermenting fridge will have a flat floor and look a bit like a commercial display fridge. The main difference is that it will have heating inside the fridge also. The first ones will have a fairly basic temp controller that you just manually set the temperature.

Then we have been working on another new controller that is connected to wifi, so you can monitor and change the temperatures remotely, set alerts etc.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Sounds cool. Can you share anything in the differences between the fermentasaurus v1 and v2?

We will have a slightly smaller size and also a much larger 50L size Fermentasaurus. Also larger dump valve and larger opening at the top. These are the main changes. We will do a video with more detailed information later on this year.

 

[meathead]

I bought a co2 cylinder off these guys. Problem is no one on the east side of Melbourne will swap it.
Keg King won’t. Narre brew Supplies can’t so I’ve got to go to Grain n Grape which is a cut lunch away.

 

[Gmoney]

I bought a co2 cylinder off these guys. Problem is no one on the east side of Melbourne will swap it.
Keg King won’t. Narre brew Supplies can’t so I’ve got to go to Grain n Grape which is a cut lunch away.

What was the excuse for not swapping it?

 

[meathead]

What was the excuse for not swapping it?

They said they’re the opposition bla bla bla
Bottom line I’m an ex keg King customer now

 

[KegLand-com-au]

I bought a co2 cylinder off these guys. Problem is no one on the east side of Melbourne will swap it.
Keg King won’t. Narre brew Supplies can’t so I’ve got to go to Grain n Grape which is a cut lunch away.

We will be setting up our own refill station later on this year and we will be located in the south east, probably somewhere between Oakleigh and Dandenong. So in the future we can fill them for you directly.

Our cylinders are basically the same as the Keg King ones so I am a bit surprised they would not fill. If you removed the sticker the actual cylinders themselves are actuallly identical.

Another place in the east you can try is:

Selby Safety Equipment Services
2.4 km · Bayswater VIC
(03) 9762 6999


What suburb are you located in?

 

[meathead]

Thanks for the info, the way they spoke to me there’s a bit of bad blood there
I removed the sticker on the way to g&g (wish I had of thought of that first)
I’m in Brighton

 

[ShonkytonkBrewer]

We will be setting up our own refill station later on this year and we will be located in the south east, probably somewhere between Oakleigh and Dandenong. So in the future we can fill them for you directly.

Our cylinders are basically the same as the Keg King ones so I am a bit surprised they would not fill. If you removed the sticker the actual cylinders themselves are actuallly identical.

Another place in the east you can try is:

Selby Safety Equipment Services
2.4 km · Bayswater VIC
(03) 9762 6999


What suburb are you located in?

+1 for the guys at Selby. I take my 6kg Supagas bottle there for refill. Going rate is a dozen cans of megswill for a refill

 

[Uyllii]

I see the new kegmenters are listed on the website as coming next month. Can you give dimensions for the 29 litre version (height and diameter)?

 

[teodeh]

also interested in dimensions, can you please update the website with dimensions of the stainless fermenters? cheers.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

I see the new kegmenters are listed on the website as coming next month. Can you give dimensions for the 29 litre version (height and diameter)?

We have a PDF uploaded here:
https://www.kegland.com.au/media/pdf/29L Kegmenter.pdf

 

[KegLand-com-au]

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