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Hi have just put my first 1 of these down , has been brewing realy well for 4 days , is it normal for it too smell like bannanas ? the whole room smells like freshh cooked bannanna bread , the only thing i did different to the recipe is added a teaspoon of ginger powder as most of the meads i make have this added , i think honey and ginger works well together , the temp for the brew has been around 23c cheers and happy new year. :icon_chickcheers:
 
B P I posted this before but apparently in the wrong place. I have followed your instructions to the letter but after 20 hours there is very little reaction by the yeast, very slight head. The only yeast I could source was Tandaco Dry Yeast and I used i teaspoon full. Have I hit the panic button too soon or have I used the wrong yeast. Cheers
 
B P I posted this before but apparently in the wrong place. I have followed your instructions to the letter but after 20 hours there is very little reaction by the yeast, very slight head. The only yeast I could source was Tandaco Dry Yeast and I used i teaspoon full. Have I hit the panic button too soon or have I used the wrong yeast. Cheers
I used Tandaco too...no problems there...
Another thing to remember , is your airlock is no indicator of fermentation....and 20 hours you say ? Meh..don't worry bloke...it'll be fine...put it in the cupboard and forget about it...in 3 months have another look at it...
RELAX ! Hide the panic button !
Ferg
 
hey
ive read the first 5 pages of this forum, awesome read
pretty sure im gunna have a stab at it
firstly i have no demijohn, only the brewing barrel from the coopers kit
if i was to go into the homebrew shop what would be the list of things to buy to ferment bottle and enjoy mead?
looking for a 5l demijohn and all the equipment, how much would it rack up to?
also possibly a noob question
when fermenting rapidly for the first few days is it left open ie no lid or air lock?

cant wait to put it down and wait around 2 or so months for it
ALWAYS use a lid or airlock...or glad wrap and an elastic band....or loose tin foil but never open
My 5 litre demijohn was $12 plus a rubber grommet cork thing with a hole for the airlock...
F
 
Thanks for your fast reply, I am used to brewing spirits and when I add the yeast I stand back and watch it really perform. Thanks for easing my mind on the yeast, Cheers.
 
i put mine down on boxing day that day the glad wrap and rubber band had fully swollen up from the CO2, i undid the rubber band a lil i had it looped 3 times and went to only 2 cuz i though the glad wrap would snap and then let it spoil, now nothing has happened, im assuming that its because its a slow fermenting thing how long do we let it go before taking actions?
 
(After major foaming stops in a few days add some water and then keep your hands off of it. (Don't shake it! Don't mess with them yeastees! Leave them alone except its okay to open your cabinet to inhale deeply the smell every once in a while.)

Mine has been down now for 4 days. How much water do I ad as per Brewer Petes quote above
 
(After major foaming stops in a few days add some water and then keep your hands off of it. (Don't shake it! Don't mess with them yeastees! Leave them alone except its okay to open your cabinet to inhale deeply the smell every once in a while.)

Mine has been down now for 4 days. How much water do I ad as per Brewer Petes quote above

i didnt add water, i think its if it drops down below the mark 3.8 L per 5L container
mine fell a tad but negligible amount i think
 
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JAO Twins, 1 Clove and 2 Clove, a few days after pitching yeast.



This recipe is designed for beginners. Everyone else with an opinion can just buggar off!

For a 5 litre demijohn
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1.6kg honey (never boiled or lose the taste and aromas) (if I meant 1.5kg I would have written it)
1 large orange (at most cut into eight pieces -- rind and all)
1 small handful of raisins (25 if you can count)
1 stick of cinnamon (its brown, its wood, its good)
1 whole clove (or 2 if you like high potency)
optional (a pinch of nutmeg and allspice )( very small mind you )
1 tsp of bread yeast (now don't get holy on me about bread yeast -- after all this recipe is DESIGNED for it)
Balance water to bring batch out to 3.8 litres (did you know, there are 3.785411 litres per US gallon)


Process:

Use a clean 5 litre demijohn.

Dissolve honey in some warm water and put in demijohn

Wash orange well to remove any pesticides and slice into eights (may wish to zest slightly, just shove em through the demijohn's hole)

Put in raisins, clove, cinnamon stick, any optional ingredients and fill demijohn with water to about 3.8 litres with cold water (need some room for some foam -- you can top off with more water after the first few days foaming frenzy). (You did remember to pour in a measured 3.8 litres and mark off the level on the outside of the glass demijohn before hand right?)

Shake the hell out of the demijohn with the top on or bung in (of course). This is your sophisticated oxygenation process.

When liquid is at room temperature, put in 1 tsp of bread yeast (no you don't have to rehydrate it first -- the ancients did not even have that word in their vocabulary -- just put it in and give it a gentle swirl or not)(The yeast can fight for their own territory)

Install water airlock. Put in dark place. It will start working immediately or in an hour. (Don't use grandma's bread yeast she bought years before she passed away in the 90's -- use the fresh stuff) (Wait 3 hours before you panic or call me) After major foaming stops in a few days add some water and then keep your hands off of it. (Don't shake it! Don't mess with them yeastees! Leave them alone except its okay to open your cabinet to inhale deeply the smell every once in a while.)


Racking -- Don't you dare!
Additional feeding -- No! NO!
More stirring or shaking -- You are not listening, do not touch!


After 2 months and maybe a few days it will slow down to a stop and clear all by itself. (How about that) (You are not so important after all) Then you can put a hose in with a small cloth filter on the end into the clear part and siphon off the golden nectar. If you wait long enough even the oranges will sink to the bottom but I never waited that long. If it is clear it is ready. You don't need a cold basement. It does better in a kitchen in the dark. (Like in a cabinet) likes a little heat (20C-25C). If it didn't work out... you screwed up and didn't read my instructions (or used grandma's bread yeast she bought years before she passed away) . If it didn't work out then take up another hobby. Mead is not for you. It is too complicated.

If you were successful, which I am 99% certain you will be, then enjoy your mead. When you get ready to make different types of mead you will probably have to unlearn some of these practices I have taught you, but hey -- This recipe and procedure works with these ingredients so don't knock it. It was your first mead. It was my tenth. Sometimes, even the experts can forget all they know and make good ancient mead.

This mead should finish quite sweet, if it finished dry, most likely your bread yeast has higher alcohol tolerance than Fleishmann's Bread Yeast (original recipe USA brand of dry yeast -- 12% alc tol. and high flocculation). In Australia for the past few years all the dry yeast sold is imported from China. So add more honey in the next batch and so on until it finishes sweet instead of dry or switch brands (but then again all the Australian brands today are probably from the same barrel of imported China dry yeast). Don't like it sweet? Add less honey next time.

Keep in mind, that will completely void the "warranty" of Ancient Orange recipe if you randomly use a different yeast. Different yeasts have different alcohol tolerance, and it just so happens that the Fleishman's active dry bread yeast is perfect for this recipe in regards to alcohol tolerance. Using another yeast would probably give better results *IF* the honey was re-balanced to suit the yeast. Again, this recipe is all about *BALANCE*. The bitterness from the orange and the sweetness of the honey balance perfectly with the alcohol level. I don't know if I just don't have a well enough educated palate or what, but I can't discern any yeast flavour in my Ancient Orange. It is young even by this recipe's standard; the batch cleared at about 4 weeks and is currently in bottles. Even at such an extremely young age, it turned out incredibly smooth with a wonderful flavour of the varietal honey that I used. The spices are "just right" and everything comes together perfectly. If it is not clear, just wait longer as one day it will magically turn from cloudy to clear and the fruit will drop meaning its time to bottle. Like any mead if you leave this one to age (although only need 6 months) then it just keeps tasting better. Foaming and clearing times are dependent upon yeast and temperature conditions.


Cheers,
Brewer Pete

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JAO Twins today, note the honey is much lighter in colour now.

loved your instructions, as soon as i get my hands on some demijohns i am going to try this :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers:
 
loved your instructions, as soon as i get my hands on some demijohns i am going to try this :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers:

no need for demijohns man, just buy a 15L tub of water comes with a pouring device and water
food safe plastic
all good
 
i plan on going to woolies this arvo to pick up the ingredients for this.

going to use a 5L bottle of spring water and a low pressure oztop for my water and fermentation vessel. will give it a bit of fiz but i dont mind as its easier then drilling a hole and fitting a grommet and airlock etc.
 
I made a few of these in 2010. I just bought a 4L bottle of water and used that as the brewing water and the fermentation vessel with glad wrap and a rubber band on top - worked great!

I did a side-by-side with baker's yeast and US-05. The US-05 settled out better so was easier to rack and eventually pour, it tasted great even after only 3 months.

I saved a single bottle for a year which I just opened this christmas. It was delicious. Completely clear golden colour with no carbonation. Beautiful, rich fruit cake flavour with some alcohol warmth replacing the zesty, fruity yeast character observed earlier. A real winner - I'll be scaling up this recipe and making more for sure!
 
no need for demijohns man, just buy a 15L tub of water comes with a pouring device and water
food safe plastic
all good

Not really the best suggestion in the world for two reasons:

1 -- Mead has a fair amount of alcohol in it which is a pretty good solvent and which the containers aren't made for. Some people aren't worried about this, but I would be.

2 -- Plastic is not air tight. For making beer or something that ferments quickly this isn't a problem. For making wine/mead or anything that takes a long time to ferment glass is the best bet as it is oxygen proof.
 
Not really the best suggestion in the world for two reasons:

1 -- Mead has a fair amount of alcohol in it which is a pretty good solvent and which the containers aren't made for. Some people aren't worried about this, but I would be.

2 -- Plastic is not air tight. For making beer or something that ferments quickly this isn't a problem. For making wine/mead or anything that takes a long time to ferment glass is the best bet as it is oxygen proof.

Depends on the type of plastic. Typically water containers are LDPE. Not going to dissolve in even 100% alcohol. However LDPE is not gas tight and so you will get a small and I mean small amount of oxygen getting into your brew. So small that you do not have to worry about it in the slightest.

Use the water container you'll be good.

Another common plastic is PTFE which is what most plastic soft drink bottles and Coopers plastic bottles are made of. Same caveats apply. Coopers bottle have a layer of Nylon in them so I have heard.
 
I put one down tonight.

Small batch in a 2 liter flagon that cost $3.50. Missus is watching what I spend on alcohol related things. This one is for her as she likes desert wines and to try and get her to be a little less antagonistic.

1.7 litre total
700g mixed blossom honey from Aldi (500)ml
1/2 cinamon stick
1 small clove
3/8th of a thin skinned orange. I was worried about overly bitter reading through all the posts here
11 Sultanas
1/3 teaspoon Lauke bread yeast

Glad wrap and elastic airlock

Put it under the house as that should keep it cooler this time of year. I may dig it a hole and cover it up if we get some hot weather. I'll wrap it up carefully first. Do not have hydrometer so no OG.

Will check back in in about 3 months.
 
I probably should have been more clear -- the containers won't dissolve with ethanol but they will leech 'stuff' into the liquid.

If you leave plain water in a plastic container for a week you can taste the plastic, ethanol just does a better job and is not something i'd want to drink.

PE lets a (relative) lot of air through it. It's ok for a couple of weeks but not for months/years. BetterBottles are PET which has a lot less permeability, which is probobaly ok for mead (though still wouldn't trust it with 95% ethanol). I like glass though for long term storage. No gas transfer, no infection risk either and very easy to clean.

(And BTW i think you meant PET instead of PTFE -- the latter is teflon which you can get bottles made out of but is very expensive).
 
Mine started bubbling away something chronic after several hours (made a starter) with a multitude of minute bubbles and never seemed to stop. I ended up leaving my gallon for 5 months and it got bitter but I like it. The sweetness from the honey all but disappeared. After a crash chill for a week (buggered it up the first time and had to wait for it to clear again), it was bottled as a beautiful clear apple juice colored liquid. I may have left it too long (dont mind the bitterness though) but it does not seem to have huge flavor. I don't know what I was expecting though. Maybe something llike a sherry. Aroma delicious though. Anyone had the same result?? No alcohol burn but as sweetness gone, it must definitely be there.
 
prehaps a stupid question
but what and or how do i get the mead out of the container into bottles once completed?
i went with the cheap 15L bottle of water option if that makes a difference
was thinking once its cleared put the cap back on lay it down on the side wait for it to re clear then use the tap to fill the bottles?
 
prehaps a stupid question
but what and or how do i get the mead out of the container into bottles once completed?
i went with the cheap 15L bottle of water option if that makes a difference
was thinking once its cleared put the cap back on lay it down on the side wait for it to re clear then use the tap to fill the bottles?
I siphoned mine out with mysanitised silicon hose into a 5 litre jug...then bottled....
F
 
Thanks for the recipe!Was bored a couple of Sundays ago and as my fermenter is lagering an AG Kolsch ale I thought I would like to have a crack at something a little different.Had a 15L plastic fermenter that I bought for a Sake project so I upscaled the recipe to about 12L.Still bubbling 8days later,smells good,poured 20ml off and tastes good.Will put in the pantry for a couple of months.
Looking forward to drinking it.
Thanks again
 
bottled ours yesterday after it had been in the demi for 3 months. tastes divine. it will make lovely christmas presents in posh bottles.
 
After reading this entire thread last week, I decided to have a crack at this recipe. I have never had a mead in my life so I have absolutely no idea whether I am going to like it or not, but the ability to taste test after 4-5 months is a much more appealing option than waiting 2+ years.

My variables from the recipe were the following:

Honey: 1.6kg Beechworth Honey from Supermarket. Not sure about the honey but it tastes really nice so I suppose that is important.

Orange: A nice, juicy valencia orange

Yeast: 1 Sachet of Tandaco bread yeast. There was plenty of yeast in 1 sachet to ensure good start to the fermentation.


I had a decent krausen and lots of airlock activity within 2 hours. Now comes the hard part with any kind of brewing - the wait. :)

MM
 
Bottled mine a week ago. Nice!. Wife says I can do another one. She's the only one who tasted it and I'll not feed it to the kids.

Took about 3 months to go clear. If I was doing this to quench my thirst I'd stay with beer. But I had plenty other stuff to drink so no rush.

I'll do it again.
 
ok guys so my mead is still fermenting
it went down on boxing day
4 months and 2 weeks or so
it is in the beer fridge but thats only on it the middle of the day for about 3 hours
any ideas?
 
Hi all thought I might share my Raspberry Mead recepie

4kg organic wildflower honey
1kg frozen rasberies
CY17 yeast
Yeast nutrient
Teaspoon of tartaric and Malic acid
15lt water

All this fermented well for a 2 weeks plenty of sediment on the bottom of the fermenter

Racked it off into another fermenter using a stocking over the transfer tube to filter out any rassbery bits
Over the space of a month I racked it several times

I was really aiming for something sweet but this turned out to be super dry and I think I added a bit too much acid

My wife got me an oak barrel for my birthday in March so its been sitting in the barrel since then ageing.

When I transfered the mead into the oak barell I backsweetened with about 250g of honey

Its turned out a nice drop though slighty a bit acidic, the raspberry flavour is very suttle and the colour is fantastic

Its my seccond ever mead so im happy with it
 
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was it petes recipe you put down or some other one.
if so i would think that 1041 is about half way.
 
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