How go you make a zero alcohol APA?

[barls]

Your all forgetting the isomerisation of the alpha acids in the heating to remove the alcohol.
I did one ages ago at work as a trial batch. I believe it was 1035 og and 32 Ibu not fermented and pasteurised to kill off anything that would be in it. Personally I'd go that way and force carb it. Tasted way better than most of the no alcohol ones

 

[of mice and gods]

Awhile back on here people were talking about a new liquid hop product that was made for adding a few drops to a commercial lager to up it's aroma/flavour. Maybe you could brew a super light beer with only a tiny bittering presence and then trial adding this kind of hop extract to achieve your 'apa' kinda flavour? once you know the right amount, do up a few bottles for the old boy.

 

[surly]

Your all forgetting the isomerisation of the alpha acids in the heating to remove the alcohol.
I did one ages ago at work as a trial batch. I believe it was 1035 og and 32 Ibu not fermented and pasteurised to kill off anything that would be in it. Personally I'd go that way and force carb it. Tasted way better than most of the no alcohol ones

Without fermentation, wouldn't the beer be too sweet?
If you think about it, the average PA probably finishes around 1.010, That is a fair bit less, sweet sugar than even a low OG un-fermented wort. Without any alcohol present, wouldn't it taste even sweeter?

 

[BingBangBrewhouse]

I recently read that making a normal apa (whatever strength you want) letting it ferment as usual. Then boiling out the alcohol after primary and conditioning (bare in mind that hop aroma and flavour) and if you want to dry hop just chill it again and keg or whatever works really well.

 

[barls]

Without fermentation, wouldn't the beer be too sweet?
If you think about it, the average PA probably finishes around 1.010, That is a fair bit less, sweet sugar than even a low OG un-fermented wort. Without any alcohol present, wouldn't it taste even sweeter?

hence the 32 ibu. it was just perfectly balanced.

 

[Cube]

IIRC, Birell is brewed with a yeast strain that dosen't spit out alcohol as a by-product of chewing through the sugars. I believe there is no post heating process, just brewing as per normal.

I'd love to get my hands on this yeast.

 

[surly]

hence the 32 ibu. it was just perfectly balanced.

Interesting.
I like the sound of this approach much better than the brewing of a very "weak" beer. It is also much faster

 

[popmedium]

Just a thought, but could you do a reverse eisebock? Freeze the low ABV beer and remove the alcohol somehow?

 

[barls]

IIRC, Birell is brewed with a yeast strain that dosen't spit out alcohol as a by-product of chewing through the sugars. I believe there is no post heating process, just brewing as per normal.

I'd love to get my hands on this yeast.

i was under the impression it's done with a vacuum boil ie a boil at near vacuum

 

[Cube]

Just a thought, but could you do a reverse eisebock? Freeze the low ABV beer and remove the alcohol somehow?

Something like spinning it around really fast to remove the liquid?

 

[New_guy]

Your all forgetting the isomerisation of the alpha acids in the heating to remove the alcohol.
I did one ages ago at work as a trial batch. I believe it was 1035 og and 32 Ibu not fermented and pasteurised to kill off anything that would be in it. Personally I'd go that way and force carb it. Tasted way better than most of the no alcohol ones

Hi Barls,

Sorry dumb question time -
Do you mean that you had a OG 1035 brew with 32 IBU that you then fermented and then force carbed ? Or did you not ferment?
How did you pasteurise the brew?

 

[dent]

I've brewed 2% APAs that were great, just mash really high and use a buttload of crystal malts etc.

As far as alc free, I bet a 50L keg would be strong enough to hold a vacuum. Get it set up with a refrigeration vaccuum pump or similar and you could really get something working.

 

[barls]

Hi Barls,

Sorry dumb question time -
Do you mean that you had a OG 1035 brew with 32 IBU that you then fermented and then force carbed ? Or did you not ferment?
How did you pasteurise the brew?

not fermented at all. At no time did yeast be involved.
Being it was a test batch it wasn't carbed. It was put through the pasteuriser at my former work

 

[Dunkelbrau]

1.035 is pretty sweet for my taste, did the pastuerisation make it higher IBU?

 

[indica86]

Birell is brewed with a yeast strain that dosen't spit out alcohol as a by-product of chewing through the sugars

Not quite right from what I read.
The Birell yeast won't eat Maltose.

 

[Lecterfan]

From: http://www.beerandbrewer.com/_blog/Magazine/post/Homebrewer_Low_down_on_Low_Beers/

[SIZE=11.5pt]Coopers is the only brewery in Australia using this technique in its product called Birrell. They use a special yeast that was developed over 30 years ago in Switzerland which Coopers licence from the Danish Carlsberg brewery. Dr Tim Cooper explains that the ingenious thing about this yeast is that it only ferments three types of sugar; sucrose, fructose and glucose.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11.5pt]“Those three sugars only represent a smaller proportion of the overall carbohydrate mix that you get from the malting and brewing process,” he said. “The particular yeast is quite clever in the sense that it only ferments those three sugars and doesn’t ferment maltose and maltotriose. Maltose is the main sugar that is derived from malt, so that means we end up with hardly any alcohol.”[/SIZE]

 

[indica86]

That's the one I read at work.

 

[Dunkelbrau]

Isn't that pretty much champagne yeast then?

 

[Cube]

Not quite right from what I read.
The Birell yeast won't eat Maltose.

IIRC, Birell is brewed with a yeast strain that dosen't spit out alcohol as a by-product of chewing through the sugars. I believe there is no post heating process, just brewing as per normal.

I'd love to get my hands on this yeast.

You edited my post to make it a statement. The IIRC is an important factor. Like, IIRC this button will nuke NZ being not quite sure it will. Remove IIRC, NZ WILL be nuked.

 

[peas_and_corn]

Why do you hate New Zealand?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Its Australias 7th state........

 

[indica86]

You edited my post to make it a statement. The IIRC is an important factor. Like, IIRC this button will nuke NZ being not quite sure it will. Remove IIRC, NZ WILL be nuked.

****. I'm sorry. For me IIRC was not a word so irrelevant to me. I'll endeavour to not slight you in that manner again.

 

[Cube]

****. I'm sorry. For me IIRC was not a word so irrelevant to me. I'll endeavour to not slight you in that manner again.

:lol: :beerbang:

 

[indica86]

I had to click on the notification just to see what beerbang was.
I'd LOL but that's not a word either. :kooi:

 

[Cube]

Why do you hate New Zealand?

Never said I did. I was born there. I just live in Australia because, you know, it's better.


h34r:

 

[manticle]

bitter

 

[Cube]

No, better, I said better. Stoopid accent.

 

[manticle]

butter?

 

[Cube]

Dammit, I said CHIPS MAN CHIPS

 

[manticle]

Who's Sid?