Hilary or Donald

[warra48]

Where do you think the centre actually is?

About twice as far from the extreme left or extreme right as half its distance from either to the centre.

 

[Dave70]

well yes I agree that it is generally cultural rather than the letter of the law, but the net effect is the same.

Its impossible to quantify that effect though. Did he / she not get the job because they were black / female? Or were they just not suitable for the position? If the HR guy has a history of hiring only hiring blonde caucasian females between the age of 18 - 25 and has Stormfront.org tucked away in his favorites, alarm bells should be ringing.
I believe individuals should be permitted to be as bigoted and racist as they like. Its sorts itself out in the end because the vast majority of people aren't that way inclined. Racism by and large is demonstrably in decline worldwide.
2017 Australia is a far less sexist and bigoted place than 1965 Australia.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

This video came up on my FB page yesterday. The bloke makes some pretty good points.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Its impossible to quantify that effect though. Did he / she not get the job because they were black / female? Or were they just not suitable for the position? If the HR guy has a history of hiring only hiring blonde caucasian females between the age of 18 - 25 and has Stormfront.org tucked away in his favorites, alarm bells should be ringing.
I believe individuals should be permitted to be as bigoted and racist as they like. Its sorts itself out in the end because the vast majority of people aren't that way inclined. Racism by and large is demonstrably in decline worldwide.
2017 Australia is a far less sexist and bigoted place than 1965 Australia.

in some industries it will take more than time for bigotry, favouritism, and the old boys club attitude to fade into line with equality.
It can be subtle, but it only takes 1/2 a chance for that subtlety to translate into someone missing out on a job, promotion or pay rise.

and in terms of representative democracy - look how well not having quotas is working for the Liberal & National parties.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

look how well not having quotas is working for the Liberal & National parties.

Exhibit A

 

[Liam_snorkel]

nice cherry picking.

exhibit B:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2016/August/The_gender_composition_of_the_45th_parliament

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Labor is way in front

 

[Liam_snorkel]

because they have a resolution to eventually have 50% M:F split in parliament.

 

[bradsbrew]

Shouldn't it be the best person for the job, not dependant on the male / female ratio?

 

[Liam_snorkel]

that gets to my point. The people selecting the candidates to endorse for each party will select based on a subconscious bias.
the end result is a representative democracy that is not representative.

JOBZ FOR DA BOIZ

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Like a subconscious bias of selecting the best person for the job, or a subconscious bias of selecting someone to fill a quota?.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

yeah that <_<
http://www.wsj.com/articles/gender-bias-at-work-turns-up-in-feedback-1443600759

 

[bradsbrew]

Equality hey, where's the minister for men


Senator the Hon Michaelia Cash


Minister for Employment
Minister for Women
Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service
Senator for Western Australia

 

[Liam_snorkel]

do we need one?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

This video came up on my FB page yesterday. The bloke makes some pretty good points.

Big Joe was bang on when he said 'Political Correctness is a disease'

 

[wobbly]

that gets to my point. The people selecting the candidates to endorse for each party will select based on a subconscious bias.
the end result is a representative democracy that is not representative.

JOBZ FOR DA BOIZ

And the answer is????

Wobbly

 

[bradsbrew]

do we need one?

If we want to keep the ratio- yes.

So QLD has a female Premier and female Deputy Premier a female attorney general and female deputy attorney general. Should I as a male feel that I am not represented just because they are female?

 

[Black Devil Dog]

The Fremantle Council is playing straight into the hands of the far right with this p.c nonsense regarding Australia Day celebrations. This stuff gives the likes of Hanson more fuel.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

If we want to keep the ratio- yes.

So QLD has a female Premier and female Deputy Premier a female attorney general and female deputy attorney general. Should I as a male feel that I am not represented just because they are female?

probably not, currently 72% of the Qld legislative assembly are male.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Queensland_Legislative_Assembly

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Shouldn't it be the best person for the job, not dependant on the male / female ratio?

Bahahahahaha....your soooooo funny Brad