Goodbye Bronwyn

[madpierre06]

you may be one of the 25% who oppose it :icon_cheers:
http://www.afr.com/news/politics/fairfaxipsos-poll-gay-marriage-support-at-record-20150614-ghnjhi

There's a greater than 25% chance of that B) But please don't confuse hating the game for hating the player....just for the record. :beer:

 

[Liam_snorkel]

all good, we're entitled to hold opinions on things mate.

 

[madpierre06]

Wouldn't have it any other way mate, everybody else has the right to be wrong

 

[malt and barley blues]

I offered a link with checkable sources AND a caveat rather than a simple link as if it were god's own truth. I'm more than happy for anything within to be refuted with facts since I didnt write it. The quoted Herald Sun article (which I did actually read) used ''leaked documents which we have seen' (ie - not checkable) as its reference (if I remember correctly - its sole reference).

Even if Stu's sources are 2001 minimum wage, even if my article is union driven, even if the earth is really banana shaped, do you really actually believe 140k is an average wage for 3 and a half hours daily work driving trains. Does that make sense to you?



I'm not quite sure what you mean. What starts off without prejudice?

The link that you provided (obviously union based) in the, 'About Us' section has the, 'Without Prejudice' clause, meaning is -(1) When used in a document or letter, without prejudice means that what follows (a) cannot be used as evidence in a court case,
Which means you can print all the lies you like without a worry of facing court.

Yes I do believe that an average train drivers pay will be in that region of $140,000, that could be in the upper end of the scale but definitely over the $100,000 I have a friend who is a crane driver on the high rise buildings in the city and he earns well more than the $140,000 per year.

Trying to work out their pay based on the MINIMUM wage would be impossible without knowing the actual rates, shift loading overtime rates and how they are implemented, then there is superannuation on top of that.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

not sure how relevant it is, but here is what Tram drivers get, on average:
http://yarratrams.com.au/about-us/careers/driven-women/a-career-loaded-with-benefits/

 

[madpierre06]

They're looking for driven women??? A coupla obvious puns, plus the 'sticks out a mile' discrimination factor as well.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

OK that was from their "driven women" campaign. Here's the general page.
"Including allowances and penalties listed above, tram drivers earn an average of between $65,000 and $75,000 a year once they are fully qualified."

http://yarratrams.com.au/about-us/careers/recruitment-at-yarra-trams/driver-customer-service-employee/

 

[madpierre06]

That's a reasonable earn once you get to your allowances, etc and fully qualified.

 

[Dave70]

All this back flipping must be disheartening for ALP supporters who somehow got the idea that Liberal MPs had elected a labor prime minister.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Train driver earnings.

http://joboutlook.gov.au/occupation.aspx?search=alpha&tab=stats&cluster=&code=7313&graph=EA

 

[technobabble66]

So about $75k per year. Working ~38 hrs per week. Not really the $140k p.a. for, what was claimed?, 20hrs per week?
Oh, hang on. I think it's from 2013 figures though, so maybe pay rates have gone up since then?

Where was that $140k p.a. figure taken from?? I hope everyone here takes anything that source reports from now on with a grain of salt...

...(quickly googles for a bit)...

Oh yeah... good ol' Herald Sun:
"Internal Metro documents, seen by the Herald Sun, show that an average driver, who with penalties and allowances is paid $140,000, drives 124km in 3.58 hours and is able to go home, but is still paid for an eight-hour shift."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbournes-commuters-stalled-by-unions-wrangle-over-train-driver-perks/story-fnpp4dl6-1227511718311

Such an appallingly poor standard of reporting.
No wonder our political debate has been plumbing new depths each year and we've had Tony & Bill as party leaders.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Dont forget its not just 9-5. so penalties will always come into it

 

[manticle]

Train driver earnings.

http://joboutlook.gov.au/occupation.aspx?search=alpha&tab=stats&cluster=&code=7313&graph=EA

So your own link shows that 140k is a gross over estimation and far, far from being average (not sure what your idea of the upper end of average means, nor why crane drivers are relevant -is it because train and crane rhyme?) it's actually really unlikely.

Funnily enough that's exactly what I have been trying to say. Train drivers, on average, DO NOT earn 140k per year and therefore the article in the HS which claimed that to be the case, is pure snot.

Here is an article that goes even further. Not only does it presume aussies are lazy, stubborn, obtuse pricks as a matter of national identity, its ONLY quoted source for material is the Herald Sun. Not even some secret documents it claims to have seen but still repeating the same, unsubstantiated goo disguised as reporting.
Add to that the numerous editing, spelling and grammatical errors (what journalist can't spell 'allegedly' correctly?) and you really are scraping the bottom of the jounalistic barrel. I'd be embarassed to put my name to something this badly written or researched.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221757/Melbourne-train-strike-causes-thousands-commuters-respond-taking-day-off.html.

Case rested.

 

[malt and barley blues]

The assimilation between a crane driver and a train driver is they are both semi skilled jobs, and both on high wages for the skill level, the wage link I posted was 2 years old and an ABS one at that, according to Jim Chrystomou the Assistant Secretary of the RBTU the base wage of the train driver is $90,000, so with overtime, and the inclusion of their super, could very easily go over the $100,000.
And the overtime is one of the things the unions (train drivers) are wanting to preserve in their conditions, Metro want to employ more drivers to make up for the shortage, I thought the union movement was about one for all and all for one, obviously not.
The figure of $140,000 is on the upper end of the scale of a wage, but I doubt the figure was just plucked out of the air, their will be some earning that I am sure.

 

[Airgead]

Crane drivers semi skilled? Really? Ever watched one of those guys flying in something big with poor visibility about an inch clearance on each side and high winds? That's some real skill there.

Skilled doesn't mean "works with a computer" or "has a degree" you know...

 

[malt and barley blues]

Yes really, a crane driver is a semi skilled occupation which starts off with a 2 week course, and if you new anything about construction sites in high winds the cranes gib has to face the direction of the wind and the hook block wound to the top, they do not carry out lifts in high winds.

 

[real_beer]

I think its time unions headed over and set up camp in Mumbai the Gateway to India, and probably India in general. It's ******* disgraceful for a country trying to pass itself off as as an emerging first world nation to allow a caste of people to be used like this. If someone wants a good look at true racism in action have a look at this link. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34105691 This is the home of Bollywood! :angry2:

 

[malt and barley blues]

That's some where, where a union would be useful.

 

[manticle]

http://www.occupationalinfo.org/91/910683014.html

SVP 5 and above is considered skilled.

 

[malt and barley blues]

How much can I expect to earn?




Full-time employed Train Driver earn an average of $1645 per week. The average annual salary for this job is $85540 excluding super. Learn more about salaries for this job​.







Personal requirements

• ability to work within a team environment
• good communication skills
• able to solve mechanical and technical problems
• good problem-solving and decision-making skills
• good memory for learning safety procedures and regulations.

This job also involves:
Driving
Good vision for detail
Sitting for long periods
This occupation offers jobs at the following skill levels:
Semi-skilled Jobs
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- See more at: http://myfuture.edu.au/explore-careers/browse-occupations/details?Anzsco=731311C#Collapse

Semi skilled in Australia.