Goodbye Bronwyn

[manticle]

I stand corrected.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Looks like Bill has thrown the towel in on ChAFTA, $12,000,000 of CMFEU's money down the gurgler. :lol:

 

[Feldon]

The assimilation between a crane driver and a train driver is they are both semi skilled jobs, [snip]

Re. train driving, you speaking from experience or just guessing?

 

[malt and barley blues]

See post 1620

 

[Feldon]

See post 1620

That's a site for school kids.

 

[Dave70]

How much can I expect to earn?



Full-time employed Train Driver earn an average of $1645 per week. The average annual salary for this job is $85540 excluding super. Learn more about salaries for this job​.





Personal requirements

• ability to work within a team environment
• good communication skills
• able to solve mechanical and technical problems
• good problem-solving and decision-making skills
• good memory for learning safety procedures and regulations.

This job also involves:
Driving
Good vision for detail
Sitting for long periods
This occupation offers jobs at the following skill levels:
Semi-skilled Jobs
Para Professional Jobs



- See more at: http://myfuture.edu.au/explore-careers/browse-occupations/details?Anzsco=731311C#Collapse

Semi skilled in Australia.

So disappointed. All those years at TAFE learning a skill when I could have been earning better dough, sitting for long periods and avoiding human feces..




What's it like to be a Plumber?



Plumbers lay out, install, test and maintain pipes, fixtures, metal roofing, fittings, gas meters and regulators.






Is this occupation in demand?



Australian JobOutlook for Plumber






How much can I expect to earn?




Full-time employed Plumber earn an average of $1178 per week. The average annual salary for this job is $61256 excluding super. Learn more about salaries for this job​.







Personal requirements

• enjoy practical work
• good hand-eye coordination
• able to work independently
• able to work at heights and in various weather conditions
• able to cope with the physical demands of the job
• good interpersonal skills
• good mobility.

This job also involves:
Full use of hands/fingers
Good vision for detail
Mainly outdoor work
Physical effort
Reading or writing
This occupation offers jobs at the following skill levels:
Skilled Trade Jobs



- See more at: http://myfuture.edu.au/explore-careers/browse-occupations/details?anzsco=334111A#sthash.fc9VcHkZ.dpuf

 

[malt and barley blues]

That's a site for school kids.

That's the site that gives you the skill level.A semi-skilled worker has some training and skills, but not enough to do specialized work.

Skilled trades are jobs that are done with the hands such as construction, plumbing, and welding.

 

[Feldon]

That's the site that gives you the skill level.A semi-skilled worker has some training and skills, but not enough to do specialized work.

Skilled trades are jobs that are done with the hands such as construction, plumbing, and welding.

Its a site designed to give career advice to school kids. And where do you think the site gets its info from? - actual train drivers or their office-bound employers who want to pay them less.

Edit: and regards 'specialized work' (the American spelling is yours, not mine) try bringing a 4,000+ ton wheatie down from the Mallee with only 'some training and skills'.

 

[malt and barley blues]

I think the government would define what is a skilled trade and what is not.

http://www.visabureau.com/australia/anzsco/jobs/train-driver-job-australia.aspx

http://www.visabureau.com/australia/anzsco/jobs/crane-hoist-or-lift-operator-job-australia.aspx

 

[Feldon]

Train driving is not a trade.

 

[malt and barley blues]

No, and its not skilled either

 

[luggy]

Skill

noun
1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well


2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity:


3. a craft, trade, or job requiring manual dexterity or special training in which a person has competence and experience

4. Obsolete. understanding; discernment.


5. Obsolete. reason; cause.

just sayin

 

[Feldon]

No, and its not skilled either

OK, I'll repeat my first question: "you speaking from experience or just guessing?"

 

[malt and barley blues]

Re. train driving, you speaking from experience or just guessing?

As I said the government puts the handle on it, SEMI SKILLED.

 

[warra48]

I'm loving this thread.

We've gone from Bronny, who apparently couldn't hack it well enough to charm her way through university, to discussing what's skilled or not.
Bronny was skilled alright, she knew how to order choppers and get into the taxpayer for unbelievable amounts of apparently unjustified expenses.

I never learned a trade, as I always did a job which required a suit and a tie, but 3 tertiary degrees and a daily battle with the legal system makes me justify myself as a skilled professional.

The reason I didn't ever do a trade is that I sustained a major spinal injury as a teenager which required surgery, and was told never to do heavy or physically demanding work.

Keep it up fellas, Let's see if we can make it to 100 pages on a subject about a loser.

 

[madpierre06]

I'm loving this thread.

We've gone from Bronny, who apparently couldn't hack it well enough to charm her way through university, to discussing what's skilled or not.
Bronny was skilled alright, she knew how to order choppers and get into the taxpayer for unbelievable amounts of apparently unjustified expenses.

I never learned a trade, as I always did a job which required a suit and a tie, but 3 tertiary degrees and a daily battle with the legal system makes me justify myself as a skilled professional.

The reason I didn't ever do a trade is that I sustained a major spinal injury as a teenager which required surgery, and was told never to do heavy or physically demanding work.

Keep it up fellas, Let's see if we can make it to 100 pages on a subject about a loser.

Did you say charm???

 

[manticle]

As I said the government puts the handle on it, SEMI SKILLED.

You are correct. Operating a rail engine is described by government to be a semi-skilled occupation in australia (not unskilled as suggested earlier by burt de ernie).
As far as I can work out, the AU gov distinctions are mostly for defining skill levels in order to set quotas for accepting migrants.

All sources I've found suggest train drivers are on 80- 90k for a full time wage once properly trained. To add an extra 40-50 grand, suggest that's average and suggest it is easily achievable working 4 hour days is designed to make the hs reading public entirely unsympathetic and is bad journalism.

Maybe you 'can' do it (had no examples offered so far) but average or likely or common? That was the (more than implied) gist of the article. You want overtime, you'll need to get over 4 hours a day, 200km or not. I bet (and happy to accept I'm wrong if proven) that a certain amount of weekend, early morning and late night work is part and parcel of the contract and sees no extras. Certainly hospitality has been that way since I've been 20.

 

[malt and barley blues]

Jim Chrystostomou, assistant secretary of the union’s locomotive division, said,the base rate is $90,000, not $140,000, a fair amount of OT would have to be worked to get to that figure.

A transport industry source said drivers often ran businesses on the side, had multiple properties and expensive cars supported by the high wages and low hours the job provided.

 

[goomboogo]

We will all make up our own minds whether a particular job is skilled or otherwise. If I study and train for over ten years and practice as a GP, am I considered skilled? From my perspective, I consider an ice sculptor to be more skilled than a GP.

 

[manticle]

Is that you saying that, a news sorce or what? Confusing post.
Some drivers work outside their regular job so they can buy mercedes is essentially what I got. I'm not quite sure what to make of it.