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Hi guys and gals, I'm posting this on behalf of my loverly better half who runs Caroline Springs Animal Welfare Network She has secured a spot to hold some stalls at the Melton Shire Business Expo in October this year, and has asked me to put out the word for any brewers wanting to showcase some of their cruelty free beers. Obviously the whole thing isn't just about beer, but it would be good for any cruelty free breweries to show off their goods as well Here'sa link to the expressions of interest page, please pass it on to those you think might be interested in holding a stall. Would be good to get a few of our fine boutiqe brewers a bit more recognition in the cruelty free scene as well.
Thanks, PW
 
I didn't realise that I was part of an intergalactical forum but it is encouraging to see that at least two other posters are from Earth.
 
What a bunch of victims. Seriously.
 
Actually, unlikeable as Peter Singer is, at least he and his mob have fairly rational arguments about treatment of animals. However for every convert made by these people, at least ten people probably get put off veganism (in particular) as it increasingly seems to be the province of skinny pasty teenage girls of the "Like meat is like so gross like EEEWWWWW like like like" persuasion. I eat twice a week at a "vedic" style Indian cafe near my work and they are lacto-vegetarian with ghee, yogurt and paneer cheese for example. Their system is based on food that is obtained "gently" and if I lived in the Valley I reckon I'd give up cooking and just eat exclusively there as it's really tasty, healthy and sustaining stuff.

Hey Bribie, is that the one in the McWhirter's building, opposite the tattoo place? It's a real treat to go there, and I'd eat there exclusively too. :D
 
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Seriously, if you eat meat, in my opinion, you have to come to terms with the fact that an animal was killed to get that meat. Now, I'm a meat eater. I accept that it is necessary for an animal to lose its life so I can have a tasty tasty rib fillet. BUT, I don't accept that that animal should go through unnecessary hardship, pain, anxiety or live in conditions that affect their personal happiness. I do not eat pig, or chicken that is not RSPCA approved. That means, for pig, there is ONE supplier in Queensland. I accept that I have to pay higher prices for guilt free meat. Most other meat is free range/barn raised by default. It amuses me at the Rocklea markets there is a lamb butcher that advertises "Free Range Lamb!".... All lamb is free range. It's a marketing ploy... "Now Asbestos Free!"
 
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"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars."

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the Orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take too long. Do you have any idea the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the Weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads like the Weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!"

"So... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Finally, Yes. They are indeed made out meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"So what does the meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the universe, contact other sentients, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat?"

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there? Anyone home?' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"

"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in the quadrant, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say?" `Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you have probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we can mark this sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the universe would be if one were all alone."
 
That sort of debate has moved out of this thread to : LINK
Well, actually it hasn't. "Now Asbestos Free!" is also a dig at the marketing obsurdity of a "Cruelty Free Beer!". Same concept different words. Show me any cruelty in any beer and prove me wrong.
 
Meat sounds.
Band name, right there.

Show me any cruelty in any beer and prove me wrong.
Well, as far as 'proof' goes, I have nothing but the finings mentioned previously pretty clearly qualify - unless of course you're unwilling to accept the concept of animals being killed for consumption as being potential cruelty (but if that is the case there'd not be much point in having this sort of discussion with you).
 
unless of course you're unwilling to accept the concept of animals being killed for consumption as being potential cruelty (but if that is the case there'd not be much point in having this sort of discussion with you).
You're probably right. As I clarified earlier, I am fine with an animal being killed for consumption, so that does not qualify as cruelty to me. Was it distressed during its life or as a result of the slaughtering process? If so, then it qualifies.

Everyone has their own threshold, and just like religion, I don't think it's right to thrust one's beliefs on others. I post my beliefs so you can see where I come from, but in no way do I attempt to persuade anyone to agree with me. We all have to make our own decisions based on our own research.
 

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