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I'm going back to measuring systems, rant time.
Being born in '82 I only - ONLY - used the metric system at school. Not once did we need to convert. On to uni, and again we were taught everything in SI and Amy have had to convert once or twice, but all textbooks were selected because they were in SI units. Anyway, in the real world this isn't an issue because I just multiply by 25.4 and life is sweet. Pressures are irritating because a lot of blokes deal in psi, so I multiply by 7 for a rough estimate and divide by 0.75 when chaps talk in HP. I ALWAYS provide advice or figures in SI units and if they want it in imperial, I ask them to convert. The world uses kPa, learn what it means just like I've had to learn to deal with people giving me numbers in psi. Doesn't always make me popular but stiff shit.
Yesterday a rep comes on site and we're taking some clearance measurements on something. I ask him the tolerances and he says 0.10-0.12, sweet as. The fitter on hand gives me his feeler gauges which are imperial. Each gauge is in steps of thou with mm displayed (0.004, 0.005 etc with 0.127 next to it). Fantastic. Anyway this puts both these blokes in imperial mode which becomes a bit of a mess. "Between 4 and 5 thou" he says, so I go along with it and find out it's ok. I'm thinking "between 0.102 and 0.127". We find another measurement was out of spec. So I remember all these figures and write them down, then discuss matters later on.
I state that something was well outside tolerances and he says no, only just. I then ask to refer to the manual and there are two tables - imperial and metric. He was quoting the imperial tables but the item is actually designed in SI, so the imperial table is written to three decimal places. The SI table however, had nice even numbers. So what he said was 2 thou was actually 2.362 thou in the table, vs 0.06mm. This meant that even thou 2 thou barely fit he was claiming that as the required clearance was slightly larger, it was probably ok. You can imagine this became as confusing as shit because he was now converting conversions of estimates and seeing as the item was reassembled, making sense of it was a bit of a nightmare.
One simple example, but a shining one of why I push to use only one system.
 
Ducatiboy stu said:
Learn to use both
Yeah, I quickly realised working in a 50+ year old steelworks that it was easier and less effort to learn both. Covered in our apprenticeship. These days I think for an apprenticeship they watch YouTube clips of fitters, not actually learn stuff by doing.
 
mje1980 said:
Yeah, I quickly realised working in a 50+ year old steelworks that it was easier and less effort to learn both. Covered in our apprenticeship. These days I think for an apprenticeship they watch YouTube clips of fitters, not actually learn stuff by doing.
And this is currently one of the biggest problems faced in training apprentices, They get told what to do, not how to do it.
 
Yeah, I don't really blame some of them, they don't get shown or taught.
 
The clearest memory I have as an apprentice was training with a fitter who refused to let me clean up or carry his tools. He also let me do the work ( was a power station turbine ). Learnt way more that way than the usual training I got with other fitters ( clean up, carry tools, watch from the sidelines ). Don't get me wrong, it's good to learn by yourself sometimes, but you need to be shown some stuff to get a good base.

****, now I sound old :)
 
The first 3 months of my apprenticeship with the railways involved hacksawing & filing blocks of metal to insane tolerances...and I did a Communication apprenticeship. All 700 odd apprentices, regardless of trade all had to do the same
 
When I did my apprenticeship we were going to be the super tradesmen, not only did we go on every machine, lathe, mill,grinder, borer, and shaper our fitting also involved lots of filing, in our training school we had only one machine that we were allowed to use and that was the pedestal drill, if we wanted a drill bit we had to make it by hand.
We could only gas weld, though when I finished my apprenticeship I taught myself Mig, Tig and Arc during the apprenticeship I was taught to make castings, getting the sand to the right moisture content, sheet metalwork using the guillotines and folders and also basic electrical work.
The trade test at the end was to file up a hexagon, and then cut a hexagon out and the former had to fit in all six positions, needless to say when out in the workforce the demarcation forbade the crossing over of a trade, couldn't make a machine guard or even disconnect a motor. By the time I was 40 left all that got into property development but have never regretted learning a trade certainly easy to adjust from working in metal to working in wood, rewiring houses is a piece of cake, came undone doing my own plumbing though the first time I did it, I used Yorkshire fittings which are not used over here on the gas lines.
One last thing every year there would be a competition to go into the international apprentice of the year, the Japanese would always win, and when I eventually got to work with the Japanese I found out why, a fitter was a fitter and didn't have any other skills couldn't even use a lathe
 
Nutribullets and 42 way Stepladders . Bring back beer advertising on TV.
 
And all those Ktell products that were advertised on TV in the 70,s.

The amazing record storage selector, and the bottle cutter so you can turn all your unwanted beer bottles into ash trays.
All 300 of them,yah . Ahh the good old days.
 
Ah, trauma memories from childhood.
This particular product is the reason I flinch more when getting a haircut than when I'm getting a blood test at the doctors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p44Ig0ktXQM
 
Holy crap! That's great, but man does Oz have THE MOST hardcore public service ads. I never saw any ad even close to that in my childhood in the U.S. They work for me though.
 
wide eyed and legless said:
I used to get scared by this ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U219eUIZ7Qo
Couldn't have come at a worse time for me. I was 16, quite keen to do some rooting, and not all that fussy if my lady was chaste.
 
Dave70 said:
Couldn't have come at a worse time for me. I was 16, quite keen to do some rooting, and not all that fussy if my lady was chaste.
At least it stopped you getting AIDS
 
Dave70 said:
Couldn't have come at a worse time for me. I was 16, quite keen to do some rooting, and not all that fussy if my lady was chaste.
Should have got a big stick to keep the chaste ones away, or like my brother think that unprotected sex was with a girl who wasn't on the pill.
 
Ducatiboy stu said:
At least it stopped you getting AIDS
Actually, it was the lack of rooting altogether. Living in a semi rural area with only a pushbike for transport can do that. Along with being broke, shit at sports, long haired and generally unattractive.
The campaign was basically wasted on people like me.
 
Sounds like young you and these guys would've had a field day..

the-hairy-bikers-55611251.jpg
 
Dave70 said:
Actually, it was the lack of rooting altogether. Living in a semi rural area with only a pushbike for transport can do that. Along with being broke, shit at sports, long haired and generally unattractive.
The campaign was basically wasted on people like me.
I dont feel so alone now. That pretty much summed up my youth......still does -_-
 
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