Colombus / Tomahawk / Zeus (CTZ)

[Yob]

I've asked the question of industry people last time this came up.

it's a blend, only a small portion of Zeus is kept aside and sold seperately.. tell ya what, I'll shoot off an email and seek some clarification for the issue for the thread.

This is one of those conversations that tends to do the rounds, I do remember getting the info on it before though from people directly connected to the farms.

 

[welly2]

https://www.brewdog.com/beer/headliners/punk-ipa

Chinook, Ahtanum, Amarillo, Cascade, Simcoe, Nelson Sauvin. I'd be interested to understand how having such a number of different hops creates the flavour/aroma and so on? As someone on their fifth AG beer, I'm just throwing in a single hop a brew. I wouldn't know where to start mixing/blending hops yet.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I've asked the question of industry people last time this came up.

it's a blend, only a small portion of Zeus is kept aside and sold seperately.. tell ya what, I'll shoot off an email and seek some clarification for the issue for the thread.

This is one of those conversations that tends to do the rounds, I do remember getting the info on it before though from people directly connected to the farms.

sweet cheers. I suspect some growers just grown one of the 3 varieties and sell it as CTZ.

 

[dicko]

Welly,
there are posts somewhere that brewers have suggested different combinations...F I I can find it at the moment.

To evaluate a hop for bitterness and flavour/aroma you will need to brew and use the variety as a separate addition.

I have currently tested for myself..Ella, in an APA which has turned out a tad dissapointing in my opinion. I think this hop should be used along side another variety.

The one I did before this one was Faloners Flight. Needless to say I wont be using that blend variety again unless a reliable brewer might recommend another variety that it will partner successfully. So after this trial it has made me very cautious about using CTZ.

Of course hop flavours are also somewhat individual as is all foods and drinks.

A blend of hops at packaging is nothing like a blend of hops at different quantities and times throughout a recipe.

 

[welly2]

Cheers Yob! I guess I'll just need to keep brewing!

Oh, found this http://www.morebeer.com/articles/master_hop_character which looks handy.

 

[HBHB]

One of those ones where for every piece of literature that says they're the same, there's another one that says CTZ a blend. Not that it really matters.

http://www.usahops.org/graphics/File/HGA%20BCI%20Reports/Variety%20Manual%207-24-12.pdf

 

[Yob]

its gunna turn out to be both innit?

 

[welly2]

There's confusion all over the internet whether CTZ is a blend or not.

These guys are selling it as pellets: http://www.nikobrew.com/columbus-tomahawk-zeus-ctz-pellet-2013/

This guy says it's not a blend: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ctz-hop-blend-yea-or-nay.103420/#post-1516372

But this guy says it is a blend: http://discussions.probrewer.com/showthread.php?23770-Using-available-hops&p=75688#post75688

We will probably never get a definitive answer..

 

[manticle]

I always thought it was a blend but I'm happy to be wrong.

 

[kevo]

Really, who cares if it's a blend?

It's delicious and smells awesome. :icon_cheers:

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Well Columbus and tomahawk are acknowledged as being the same cultivar, so whether it blends or not isn't really relevant because all you'd be blending is the fecking name, and Zeuss has the same female parent and is supposed to be effectively the same plant... Man. If you bought three bags of the same flour from the same factory and blended them together, would it be a blend??

 

[Yob]

Well, technically yes.. You used the word blend

 

[Mr B]

It would depend if they were blended or mixed?

Or processed.

A processed blend would be entirely different of course.

 

[Brew Forky]

 

[Mardoo]

I've seen it sold as CTZ and have seen the individual hops sold. Always figured it was any or all as CTZ. Very definitive, eh?

 

[HBHB]

[SIZE=medium]Soooo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Columbus and Tomahawk are the same thing grown by different folk on different farms. Zeus is the step child with some similarities.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]CTZ is a blend [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]I might be able to sleep tonight knowing that Zeus is the same only different and that CTZ is a blended family, in which case it doesn't matter.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [/SIZE]

Zeus:
[SIZE=9pt]Origin/History Zeus is a super high alpha variety developed in the[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Yakima Valley. It was selected for the high alpha[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]content and high yield potential.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Agronomics Tolerant to downy mildew, susceptible to powdery[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]mildew. Good pickability of a large compact cone.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Brewing Quality Zeus is mainly used as a bittering hop in pellet or[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]extract form.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Maturity[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Yield[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Late[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]2,800—3,000 kgs/ha[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]2,500—2,700 lbs/acre[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Alpha acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Beta acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Alpha:Beta Ratio[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Cohumulone[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Total Oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Oil Components[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]B-Pinene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Myrcene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Linalool[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Caryophyllene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Farnesene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Humulene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Geraniol[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]14.6—18.3%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]4.8—5.5%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]3.2[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]28.0—31.0% (% of alpha acids)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]1.5—4.0 (mls. of oil per 100g)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Expressed as % of total oils[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]0.5—0.9%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]45.0—55.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]0.3—0.6%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]7.0—12.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]< 1.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]12.0—16.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]0.2—0.4%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Storage Poor[/SIZE]

Tomahawk:
[SIZE=9pt]Origin/History Tomahawk[/SIZE][SIZE=6pt]® [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]Brand F10 cv. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]is a bittering hop bred by[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Charles Zimmermann. It was selected for high alpha[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]content, high oil content, and good yield potential.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Tomahawk[/SIZE][SIZE=6pt]® [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]was the first commercially grown[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]“Super Alpha” variety.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Agronomics Tolerant to downy mildew, susceptible to powdery[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]mildew. Good pickability of a large compact cone.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Brewing Quality Tomahawk[/SIZE][SIZE=6pt]® [/SIZE][SIZE=9pt]is used primarily as a bittering hop[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]either in pellet or extract form.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Maturity[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Yield[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Late[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]2,800—3,000 kgs/ha[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]2,500—2,700 lbs/acre[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Alpha acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Beta acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Alpha:Beta Ratio[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Cohumulone[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Total Oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Oil Components[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]B-Pinene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Myrcene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Linalool[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Caryophyllene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Farnesene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Humulene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Geraniol[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]15.0—17.8%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]4.9—5.7%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]3.1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]26.0—28.0% (% of alpha acids)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]1.6—4.6 (mls. of oil per 100g)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Expressed as % of total oils[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]7.0—9.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]< 1.0% [/SIZE]


Columbus:
[SIZE=9pt]Pedigree[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]A descendant of Nugget[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Brewing Usage[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Bittering[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Aroma[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Pungent, black pepper, licorice characteristics with subtle citrus overtones[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Possible Substitutions[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Chinook[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Galena[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Millennium[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Nugget[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Typical Beer Styles[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Pale Ale[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Additional Information[/SIZE]
Part of "CTZ" with Tomahawk® and Zeus.
[SIZE=9pt]Storage Stability[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]~52% alpha remaining after 6 months[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Alpha Acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]14.0 - 16.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Beta Acids[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]4.0 - 5.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Co-Humulone[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]30 - 35%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Total Oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]1.5 - 2.0 mL / 100g[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Myrcene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]40 - 50% of total oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Humulene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]12 - 18% of total oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Caryophyllene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]9 - 11% of total oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Farnesene[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]< 1% of total oil[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]General Trade Perception[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]Excellent for dry hopping[/SIZE]


[SIZE=9pt]11.0—15.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt] 0.2—0.4%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]0.6—0.9%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]45.0—55.0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]0.3—0.7%[/SIZE]

*Information taken from the hop variety sheets from Yakima chief for Zeus and Tomahawk - infor for Columbus is from hop union.

 

[Blind Dog]

The hops I have in the freezer are labelled: 'Columbus (CTZ)...'

So presumably they are a blend but someone has diligently removed all the T and Z...

Taste and smell bloody nice though, so I'm not sure I care.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I suspect this grower does the same: http://www.greatlakeshops.com/columbus-aka-ctz.html

this is a fun read (which doesn't really shed much light): http://inhoppursuit.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/indie-hops-exclusive-history-of-ctz.html

 

[Spiesy]

I still don't understand why anyone would blend two hops that are identical and another hop that is highly similar. Seems like a lot of work for SFA points of difference - if of course that is what happens.

 

[Nizmoose]

My head hurts.