I apologise for the long thread, but to be fair to Brewersdiscount, I felt I needed to include all correspondance. If it's a bit long for you, just scroll the the end, and read the last quote.
OK had a pretty shocking experience with Brewersdiscount. I include all our correspondence. You can make up your own mind.
19 Dec: directly rang Terry from brewersdiscount to ask about the best way to buy kegs. 5 minutes later I put 6 kegs on order through paypal.
About 23 March (over three months later): I rang Terry to ask about where my order got to. He said to give him an e-mail of the paypal purchase, and he would get back to me within the day. He didnt. I rang back the next day and he said that he was busy, and would attend to my e-mail later. A few days later he responded:
The stuff he said he re-sent me was my original order exactly.
This was a bummer, as I had a heap of fermented wort waiting on the kegs. Perhaps a bit optimistic, but I had no choice, as I was trying to brew for a uni get together.
OK the implication here was that brewersdiscount did everything right at their end, but were let down by the post.
However, I was a bit suspicious that perhaps my order just wasnt processed by brewersdiscount. If this was the case, then I thought their response wasnt satisfactory, as I now had to wait out the delivery time all over again, and over the three months from December to March the price of the kegs actually went down. I felt this was worth enquiring about.
My understanding of brewersdiscount from this forum was that their processes were perhaps not the best, but when they made a mistake, they were fantastic in providing some compensation.
So how to tactfully find out where the error was made? This is how I went about it.
The next day, this:
OK it seems that Terry is saying that the order got lost *before* reaching the post. My response:
And this reponse, received only an hour or so ago
(I added the *s, as I thought the forum may automatically ban posts with the full swear words spelled out).
Case closed (?) :blink:
OK had a pretty shocking experience with Brewersdiscount. I include all our correspondence. You can make up your own mind.
19 Dec: directly rang Terry from brewersdiscount to ask about the best way to buy kegs. 5 minutes later I put 6 kegs on order through paypal.
About 23 March (over three months later): I rang Terry to ask about where my order got to. He said to give him an e-mail of the paypal purchase, and he would get back to me within the day. He didnt. I rang back the next day and he said that he was busy, and would attend to my e-mail later. A few days later he responded:
(March 27)
I found your order, December 18, 2005. They were sent out on the 21st with four other orders for Australia. You should have received the two packages a month ago. I will send six more kegs and two gaskets sets to you tomorrow. Maybe got lost in Christmas rush.
Terry
The stuff he said he re-sent me was my original order exactly.
This was a bummer, as I had a heap of fermented wort waiting on the kegs. Perhaps a bit optimistic, but I had no choice, as I was trying to brew for a uni get together.
OK the implication here was that brewersdiscount did everything right at their end, but were let down by the post.
However, I was a bit suspicious that perhaps my order just wasnt processed by brewersdiscount. If this was the case, then I thought their response wasnt satisfactory, as I now had to wait out the delivery time all over again, and over the three months from December to March the price of the kegs actually went down. I felt this was worth enquiring about.
My understanding of brewersdiscount from this forum was that their processes were perhaps not the best, but when they made a mistake, they were fantastic in providing some compensation.
So how to tactfully find out where the error was made? This is how I went about it.
(April 7)
Terry,
Sorry for the late reply. I have been quite ill, and have not really had the inclination to get into this.
This news is a real bummer for me, and I would like to chase it up, as I have a bunch of backlogged fermented wort sitting in my garage ready for a university reunion. I felt that I could be assured that these kegs would come within 3.5 months, as on the Aussie homebrewer forum, no-one has posted a time longer than this on the US keg survey thread.
You mentioned that you sent the kegs on the 21 Dec. I would like to get the records of the original order, so that I can contact the postal service and ask exactly how six large kegs went missing in the post.
This time around you gave me an invoice for my order (which included freight customs form numbers). I did not get one when I placed my original order. Could you please chase this original invoice up Terry? It will provide me with the records I need to contact the postal service and ask what happened. Any additional records that you think could help me will also be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve.
The next day, this:
Steve
I would like to help but I sent the box and order to my business partner who at C&C or pepsi used equip was supposed to mail the package. To be honest I don't have a clue as to what happened to your order. Your kegs are on the way now.
Terry
OK it seems that Terry is saying that the order got lost *before* reaching the post. My response:
(April 13)
Terry,
"Don't have a clue" is pretty unsatisfactory. As I understand it, your business to Australia is built on the fact that you have documented proof (on the AHB forum) that you are trustworthy, and if something goes wrong, you will compensate.
In this instance, I have waited well over the expected time to get my kegs, only to find out that there is no compensation for this mistake, and that I have to wait again from scratch. In addition, the price of your kegs has actually *gone down* in the time it took for this situation to be recognised, so it turns out that I have actually lost money as well.
It's also possible, given the lack of invoice, etc... from my original order (which you have supplied this time around), that the mistake originated from you personally, and you are claiming ignorance. I'm not saying that this is the case, it's just that when you are ordering from Australia, these sort of doubts stop you making the big step of buying overseas.
You still have a great repuation here, and to be honest, I was looking to make a second order soon from you guys. This whole experience has started me thinking that I am better off just buying 2/3 the amount of kegs from someone I trust in Australia.
I have not yet posted this incident on the AHB site, as I feel it is likely that you will provide some proper recognition of and compensation for the stuff up that you made.
please let me know your thoughts.
Steve.
PS - "RobW" just posted on the site saying that he put his order in during November and hasn't recieved anything. Perhaps you should get in contact with him (you can e-mail him through the site).
And this reponse, received only an hour or so ago
(I added the *s, as I thought the forum may automatically ban posts with the full swear words spelled out).
Go f*ck yourself, assh*le. What I don't need is a piece of sh*t like you giving me more sh*t when I tried my best to rectify the situation. Don't email back, your emails are spam sh*thead.
Matthew Chitiea
Pepsi Equip
Case closed (?) :blink: