Advice On A Pale Ale Recipe

[cheeser]

I'm trying to work on a pale ale using New Zealand hops. Does anyone have experience with Riwaka? I want this to be a hop bomb. What are your guys thoughts?

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Batch Size: 5.5g
Mash temperature: 156F
Grain total: 6.1kg
Hop total: 180g


60min -Cascade NZ hop flower 20g
60min -Riwaka (D Saaz) hop flower 20g
30min -Cascade NZ hop flower 20g
30min -Riwaka (D Saaz) hop flower 20g
15min -Cascade NZ hop flower 20g
15min -Riwaka (D Saaz) hop flower 20g
DH -Cascade NZ hop flower 20g
DH -Riwaka (D Saaz) hop flower 20g

Ingredients
3kg Joe White traditional ale
3kg Joe White Pilsner
100g Joe White Caramalt
Wyeast American Ale 1056
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Thanks in advanced guys

 

[manticle]

No experience with Riwaka whatsoever but to get great hop flavour, try splitting your flavour additions up from 25 minutes to 0 so you are adding a smaller portion every 5 minutes or so* and use some gypsum in the mash and boil.

* As in 5g@25, 5g@20, 5g@15, 5g@ 10 etc down to 0. May need to adjust recipe to hit required IBU.

 

[Newbee(r)]

That's an alot of Riwaka (D-Saaz). Have only made 1 brew with it - love the flavour, I wouldn't use it as a bittering hop at all given it sits around 6% aa, rather save it for flavour and aroma.

This recipe is similar to one recommended by RandyRob - he used Magnum for bittering and went late with the D-Saaz - works out a treat.


D-SAAZ (American Amber Ale)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.050 (P): 12.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (P): 3.3
Alcohol (ABV): 4.91 %
Colour (SRM): 15.6 (EBC): 30.7
Bitterness (IBU): 32.8 (Average)

88% Maris Otter Malt
10% Crystal 120
2% Carared

0.6 g/L Columbus (14.2% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
1.1 g/L D Saaz (5.4% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
1.1 g/L D Saaz (5.4% Alpha) @ 3 Minutes (Boil)


Single step Infusion at 66C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 70 Minutes

Fermented at 20C with Safale US-05

 

[cheeser]

thanks for the replies.

What malts would be recommended for this style of beer and hops (Cascade & D-Saaz)? I want the beer to be fairly light in colour using a mix of ale and pilsner base malts. I'll be purchasing from grape and grain, having the option of; Briess, Dingemanns, Joe White, Simpsons and Weyermann. I've only ever used JW and unfamiliar with the different characteristics of each variety. Preferably something with a bit more taste to penetrate through all those hops.

cheeser

 

[under]

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 19 - Liberty City
Brewer: Dazza
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 26.96 l
Post Boil Volume: 23.92 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l
Bottling Volume: 23.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.046 SG
Estimated Color: 11.7 EBC
Estimated IBU: 39.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 75.0 %
Boil Time: 75 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
3.75 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (Thomas Fawcett) Grain 1 83.7 %
0.41 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 2 9.2 %
0.21 kg Melanoidin (Weyermann) (59.1 EBC) Grain 3 4.7 %
0.11 kg Carapils / Carafoam (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC Grain 4 2.5 %
15.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 22.1 IBUs
7.00 g Cascade [5.00 %] - Boil 40.0 min Hop 6 3.7 IBUs
7.00 g Cascade [5.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7 3.3 IBUs
9.30 g Cascade [7.80 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 8 5.3 IBUs
9.30 g Cascade [7.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 3.2 IBUs
10.00 g Liberty [4.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 1.1 IBUs
10.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 11 0.6 IBUs


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 4.48 kg
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Mash 67-68 90 mins. US-05

I have made this a few times. Quite good and a nice body. Maybe sub the d-saaz for the simcoe and a little bit late with the cascade. Options are endless, this is just a suggestion.

 

[Hatchy]

My beer for the last case swap was a riwaka SMaSH with bb ale & the wlp Aussie ale yeast. I can't remember the hop schedule but I've brewed the same beer but with only a 60 min addition which had an amazing amount of flavour & aroma considering there were no late hops. It's an awesome hop.

I'd drop the pils if I were you & either use all ale malt or maybe 5% crystal. The cascade will work well with it but if you really want to get a feel for riwaka then I'd say go all riwaka. Or you could leave the recipe as it is & make an awesome beer.

 

[cheeser]

just put the order through, with a bit of extra research and peoples advice on here this is what i came up with.

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Batch Size: 5.5g
Mash temperature: 156F
Grain total: 6.75kg
Hop total: 140g


60min -Simcoe 30g
30min -Riwaka 20g
20min -Riwaka 20g
10min -Riwaka 20g
5min -Riwaka 20g
DH -Riwaka 20g

Ingredients
4000g x Dingemans Pilsner
2500g x Crisp Maris Otter
250g x Weyermann Carapils/ Carafoam
Wyeast American Ale 1056
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[FNQ Bunyip]

Hi cheeser ,, Just interested in your mixed units of measurement ??? F & Gal then Kg and g ????

cheers

 

[cheeser]

ahh.. i did a lot of my research and used previous recipes from American forums using imperial units, so I'm familiar with appropriate mash temperatures in F. I probably should have converted the units seeing this is an Australian forum but was careless.

cheeser

 

[Acasta]

Hey, I see you've already made an order, but i brewed up this a while and and drinking it now. Its pretty awesome!

Sazzy Kiwi NZPA

Boil Size: 29.25 l
Post Boil Volume: 24.84 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l
Bottling Volume: 23.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.046 SG
Estimated Color: 14.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 46.4 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
3.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 2 63.0 %
1.43 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 3 30.0 %
0.33 kg Carared (Weyermann) (47.3 EBC) Grain 4 7.0 %
15.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 mi Hop 5 14.0 IBUs
20.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 20.0 mi Hop 6 11.3 IBUs
20.00 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 8.9 IBUs
20.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 10.0 mi Hop 8 6.8 IBUs
20.00 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.3 IBUs
9.13 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
9.13 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 D Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
13.70 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
13.70 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
27.39 ml Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -

 

[cheeser]

Looks tasty. I wanted to brew with other New Zealand hops but couldn't get a hold of any (besides Nelson which i used on my last batch). Were did you get your hands on Motueka? I'm Vic aswell

Hey, I see you've already made an order, but i brewed up this a while and and drinking it now. Its pretty awesome!

Sazzy Kiwi NZPA

Boil Size: 29.25 l
Post Boil Volume: 24.84 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l
Bottling Volume: 23.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.046 SG
Estimated Color: 14.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 46.4 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 70.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
3.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 2 63.0 %
1.43 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 3 30.0 %
0.33 kg Carared (Weyermann) (47.3 EBC) Grain 4 7.0 %
15.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 mi Hop 5 14.0 IBUs
20.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 20.0 mi Hop 6 11.3 IBUs
20.00 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 7 8.9 IBUs
20.00 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 10.0 mi Hop 8 6.8 IBUs
20.00 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 5.3 IBUs
9.13 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
9.13 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 D Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
13.70 g Motueka (B Saaz) [7.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
13.70 g Riwaka (D Saaz) [5.90 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
27.39 ml Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins) Water Agent 1 -

 

[Hatchy]

Nige at brew Adelaide has moteuka on special I believe. You may not get free delivery but I reckon he could get them to you.

 

[Acasta]

Looks tasty. I wanted to brew with other New Zealand hops but couldn't get a hold of any (besides Nelson which i used on my last batch). Were did you get your hands on Motueka? I'm Vic aswell

I got it from grain and grape. It may be called saaz b. The riweka were flowed too which was cool.
You could always get an order from craftbrewer, as they have a massive variety and a decent price.