As you said the game has changed. The days of negotiating a happy ending in a situation like this are gone. More often than not the perpetrators intend to die and take as many as they can with them.droid said:remember I.S. calling people to do whatever they could? they were telling people to kill the infidels, with their bare hands, a knife anything. I remember when that came out thinking "here we bloody go"
my point about things not being the same after 911 was in reference to how the police/defences react, how the media reacts and how the public react. we will never be the same again - the game has changed
if people wave a certain flag around make particular comments and usually after such waving/commenting we see people die, well then what? we will never be privy to what the police and defence forces know and from a hysteria point of view that's prolly a good thing, unfortunately we have the sensationalist media to carry that flag
as for taking him out in front of the window - maybe he had told them that he had a bomb in his backpack who knows, I am sure their reasons aren't just thought up on the spot for such things, there would be protocol
god speed and my heart goes out to the families left behind
Had to leave for an urgent meeting. Hope that's ok. But most of what you wrote was rubbish.manticle said:That's your response to that entire paragraph? Good effort.
4. hold to ransomHeld to ransom.........really? Seriously mate.
So, has it been confirmed that Man Haron Monis was mentally disturbed then, or is that just conjecture. I haven't seen any proof of a psychiatric report, though it would suit the powers that be to call it the work of a madman.2much2spend said:The fact is that he had a mental illness!
Mental illness can happen to any of us. So we kneed services to help people not a reaction with a gun. ( not in any way justifying this incident)
We are one of the richest nations in the world and people that need help struggle to find it.
50 Sexual assaults, murder and Violence's .wide eyed and legless said:So, has it been confirmed that Man Haron Monis was mentally disturbed then, or is that just conjecture. I haven't seen any proof of a psychiatric report, though it would suit the powers that be to call it the work of a madman.
There might not be one accepted definition of terrorism, but FWIW (not much) the Aus Gov does have a definition of a terrorist act (and presumably that act is perpetrated by a terrorist).manticle said:Since there is no one actual accepted definition of terrorism, I guess we could argue that till kingdom come. If it's just instilling terror in people through violence, then I guess Ivan Milat is a terrorist. If it's instilling terror for political or religious motivations then I guess most governments could fit the bill(the word originally referred to the actions of the French state but somehow the state is now immune to such ephitets as everything it does is legitimate).