The dice have been rolled in the Senate

[Dave70]

But that's not why we went in. It was cause of all of those weapons of mass destruction he was planning to blow us all up with that didn't exist. And if our job is to topple every despot in the world, why haven't we invaded North Korea/Zimbabwe/Multiple other failed African states?

The whole Blair / Bush WMD hysteria was a political misstep to be sure, but the Clinton administration and senate had already had already decided to deliver Iraq from Hussein. The Bush administration only did what they had promised to do.
North Korea? Basically a hostage crisis presided over by a ruthless maniac sitting on a pile of nukes. You're talking death of non combatants in the millions. Plus it would to arrogant presume the north Koreans don't actually enjoy existing in a working model of Orwells 1984.
Yes, we stood on the sidelines in Rwanda for example and a lot of Tutsis and Hutus died because of it. Just like all those Kurds and Iraqis.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

All started going downhill after Kevin Dud got elected. Gone, the golden years of Little Johnny.

Certainly was golden years, though you can't blame Kevin for the economic downturn, Kevin did tackle the hard subjects, no hot meal on the RAAF plane really gave it to the hostess for that, biggest problem we are ever about to face in our life, Climate Change so we will abandon the ETS.
As for Golden Bollocks........
http://www.news.com.au/national/john-howard-still-australias-best-pm/news-story/cc9498635a61011bb78b259d8bf028dc

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Yes, we stood on the sidelines in Rwanda for example and a lot of Tutsis and Hutus died because of it. Just like all those Kurds and Iraqis.

Yes but the Murdoch press didnt cover it, so it musnt have been that important

 

[Droopy Brew]

The whole Blair / Bush WMD hysteria was a political misstep to be sure, but the Clinton administration and senate had already had already decided to deliver Iraq from Hussein. The Bush administration only did what they had promised to do.
North Korea? Basically a hostage crisis presided over by a ruthless maniac sitting on a pile of nukes. You're talking death of non combatants in the millions. Plus it would to arrogant presume the north Koreans don't actually enjoy existing in a working model of Orwells 1984.
Yes, we stood on the sidelines in Rwanda for example and a lot of Tutsis and Hutus died because of it. Just like all those Kurds and Iraqis

Of course not forgetting the real reason for invasion- suring up control of the old texas tea. Not much oil in Zimbabwe , North Korea, West Papua (actually there is a bit here but we cant be pissing off the Indos) etc etc
Despot prices have dropped considerably in the past 40 years, it really isnt worth the time and effort to capture them without some other form of ancillary income to make the invasion pay for itself.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Of course not forgetting the real reason for invasion- suring up control of the old texas tea.

Which is ironic as most of the oil reserves are not controlled by American oil companies.........

 

[madpierre06]

Did help lift and control the base price of oil though, which was a key reason. And the squillions made from the rebuilding contracts.

 

[Dave70]

Of course not forgetting the real reason for invasion- suring up control of the old texas tea. Not much oil in Zimbabwe , North Korea, West Papua (actually there is a bit here but we cant be pissing off the Indos) etc etc
Despot prices have dropped considerably in the past 40 years, it really isnt worth the time and effort to capture them without some other form of ancillary income to make the invasion pay for itself.

The US is lucky to import 4% of its oil from Iraq. The vast majority come by way of non OPEC countries.
They didn't start a war to control that.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

. And the squillions made from the rebuilding contracts.

That was the real reason.... Think Halliburton and Dick Cheeney

From da Internetz

Cheney oversaw the 1991 Operation Desert Storm, among other actions. Out of office during the Clinton administration, Cheney was the Chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000.

 

[Droopy Brew]

The US is lucky to import 4% of its oil from Iraq. The vast majority come by way of non OPEC countries.
They didn't start a war to control that.

It isnt so much the oil Iraq was sitting on rather they needed to control potential disruption to middle eastern oil supplies and subsequent supply and demand price fluctuations. Ironically thought they would create stabilisation in the area. Read that one wrong didnt they?
All IMO of course but I garantee that was part of it.
We are mere plebs that will never know the true reasons behind many of the worlds conflicts all we can do is guess with what small information (and large amount of bullshit) is made available to us. To be truthful- it is probably better that way.
One thing I am sure of- they didnt go in there just to get rid of Hussain on humanitarian grounds.

 

[Dave70]

It isnt so much the oil Iraq was sitting on rather they needed to control potential disruption to middle eastern oil supplies and subsequent supply and demand price fluctuations. Ironically thought they would create stabilisation in the area. Read that one wrong didnt they?
All IMO of course but I garantee that was part of it.
We are mere plebs that will never know the true reasons behind many of the worlds conflicts all we can do is guess with what small information (and large amount of bullshit) is made available to us. To be truthful- it is probably better that way.
One thing I am sure of- they didnt go in there just to get rid of Hussain on humanitarian grounds.

Cost themselves upward of 2 trillion dollars and counting whilst becoming international pariahs just to price fix the comparative pittance of crude they import from the gulf states?
Nah. More likely 9/11 was an inside job..

 

[sponge]

God, I love myself a good conspiracy theory.

Believe them all until proven otherwise. Keep life interesting.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

The US is lucky to import 4% of its oil from Iraq. The vast majority come by way of non OPEC countries.
They didn't start a war to control that.

America produces or has the capacity to produce more oil and gas than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together, what is hurting the Americans is the low price of oil which is intentionally kept low for that purpose. Turning shale into oil isn't cheap which is what America has been doing.

 

[Exile]

Lets just hope the Turnbull Government fu*ckin chokes before this comes in

Tax changes would hurt craft brewers

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/lifestyle/food/a/31377813/the-sip-tax-changes-would-hurt-craft-brewers/

 

[wide eyed and legless]

This is what they should be looking at (introduced in 2002 in the UK)
https://www.uhy-uk.com/news-events/news/number-of-new-breweries-in-london-jumps-by-24-in-just-a-year/

 

[JDW81]

God, I love myself a good conspiracy theory.

The moon landing was also a fake, it was nothing but a stunt in a Hollywood soundstage.

 

[sponge]

You said it. It's on the Internet. Therefore, true.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

You said it. It's on the Internet. Therefore, true. - Abraham Lincoln, March, 1855

 

[Black Devil Dog]

The moon landing was also a fake, it was nothing but a stunt in a Hollywood soundstage.

It is intriguing that there were 6 manned moon landings between 1961 and 1972. Roughly 1 every 2 years.

But we haven't been back there once in 44 years.

 

[spog]

So who's the best option apart from Dumb and Dumber.( shorten/ turnbull ) ?
Possibly someone, from no where who actually gives a rats toss bag would be a refreshing change.

 

[SBOB]

It is intriguing that there were 6 manned moon landings between 1961 and 1972. Roughly 1 every 2 years.

But we haven't been back there once in 44 years.

perhaps because as there is nothing there, they determined the very limited NASA funds could be better spent elsewhere