Style Of The Week 25/10/06 - Robust Porter

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Stuster

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Now that the mash paddle has been decided for this year, I thought it'd be a good time to look at robust porter, style 12B on the BJCP style guidelines.

First up some links.
Mash paddle announcement and discussion
Robust porter recipe discussion
The Jamil show on Robust Porter download
Brewing Techniques article on the history of porter
Ash's winning mash paddle porter

So the normal deal. Grains, hops, yeast? Ideas on how to do this style using kits and bits? Commercial examples you like. Let's share some info and learn to make better beer. :super:

12B. Robust Porter

Aroma: Roasty aroma (often with a lightly burnt, black malt character) should be noticeable and may be moderately strong. Optionally may also show some additional malt character in support (grainy, bready, toffee-like, caramelly, chocolate, coffee, rich, and/or sweet). Hop aroma low to high (US or UK varieties). Some American versions may be dry-hopped. Fruity esters are moderate to none. Diacetyl low to none.

Appearance: Medium brown to very dark brown, often with ruby- or garnet-like highlights. Can approach black in color. Clarity may be difficult to discern in such a dark beer, but when not opaque will be clear (particularly when held up to the light). Full, tan-colored head with moderately good head retention.

Flavor: Moderately strong malt flavor usually features a lightly burnt, black malt character (and sometimes chocolate and/or coffee flavors) with a bit of roasty dryness in the finish. Overall flavor may finish from dry to medium-sweet, depending on grist composition, hop bittering level, and attenuation. May have a sharp character from dark roasted grains, although should not be overly acrid, burnt or harsh. Medium to high bitterness, which can be accentuated by the roasted malt. Hop flavor can vary from low to moderately high (US or UK varieties, typically), and balances the roasted malt flavors. Diacetyl low to none. Fruity esters moderate to none.

Mouthfeel: Medium to medium-full body. Moderately low to moderately high carbonation. Stronger versions may have a slight alcohol warmth. May have a slight astringency from roasted grains, although this character should not be strong.

Overall Impression: A substantial, malty dark ale with a complex and flavorful roasty character.

History: Stronger, hoppier and/or roastier version of porter designed as either a historical throwback or an American interpretation of the style. Traditional versions will have a more subtle hop character (often English), while modern versions may be considerably more aggressive. Both types are equally valid.

Comments: Although a rather broad style open to brewer interpretation, it may be distinguished from Stout as lacking a strong roasted barley character. It differs from a brown porter in that a black patent or roasted grain character is usually present, and it can be stronger in alcohol. Roast intensity and malt flavors can also vary significantly. May or may not have a strong hop character, and may or may not have significant fermentation by-products; thus may seem to have an "American" or "English" character.

Ingredients: May contain several malts, prominently dark roasted malts and grains, which often include black patent malt (chocolate malt and/or roasted barley may also be used in some versions). Hops are used for bittering, flavor and/or aroma, and are frequently UK or US varieties. Water with moderate to high carbonate hardness is typical. Ale yeast can either be clean US versions or characterful English varieties.
Vital Statistics:
OG FG IBUs SRM ABV
1.048 - 1.065 1.012 - 1.016 25 - 50+ 22 - 35+ 4.8 - 6%

Commercial Examples: Anchor Porter, Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter, Sierra Nevada Porter, Bell's Porter, Thirsty Dog Old Leghumper, Otter Creek Stovepipe Porter, Portland Haystack Black Porter, Avery New World Porter, Deschutes Black Butte Porter, Redhook Blackhook Porter
 
Yum. Possibly my faveourite style Stuster. :)

This recipe came out totally delicious. Anybody game enough to try it will not be disappointed. I'll definitely be doing it again soon. :beerbang:

Porter Recipe

One point I'd probably like to stress is try and use Baird's Pale Chocolate malt instead of regular choc. It has a nice smooth, choc/coffee character. :)

Warren -
 
Im with warren

This is one of the best styles. I usually have some in stock all the time

If you havent made a porter you must give it a go (espicially the Robust) :beerbang:

BS
 
Totally agree. A great style. I've only made it once before, but SWMBO insists I make it again in the near future.

Like the look of that recipe, Warren. That's a lot of brown and amber malt, but it obviously came out alright (or better :lol: ).
 
Totally agree. A great style. I've only made it once before, but SWMBO insists I make it again in the near future.

Like the look of that recipe, Warren. That's a lot of brown and amber malt, but it obviously came out alright (or better :lol: ).

Probably pushing the Amber/Brown boundary. OTOH It's for a 40 litre batch. Gives the Porter the nice tarry/brazil nut notes that make it a very interesting beer. Couldn't see myself gulping this one down in summer however it's a totally brilliant, complex winter beer.

I think another good trick is to try and avoid the use of Roast Barley. Just seems to steer it too close to stout country. :)

Geez come to think of it I'd kill for another 40 litres ATM. :lol:

Warren -
 
I've only brewed one porter, but it came out fairly well. Was quite malty with a nice moderate dark malt flavour. Next time I'll probably remove the munich and make it up with more trad ale.

OG 1.060
40 IBU

70% Trad Ale
20% Munich II
4% CaraAroma
4% TF Choc
2% Black Patent

66C mash

Hallertauer Magnum bittering
1.5g/L Fuggles plugs @ 15

Coopers Ale yeast
 
My stock standard recipe -

10% 120 EBC Crystal
05% Chocolate
2.5% Black Malt (never Roast Barley)

Balance JW Trad Ale or Maris Otter

1.055-1.060
35-40 IBU (Wye Target, USA Nrthrn Brewer)

I refrain from late hopping.

This recipe I then tweak for Smoked Porters or alter the crystal malt variety (e.g. halve the % and use CaraAroma).

tdh
 
I think Pale choc is the way to go with these, with some carafa II for colour. gave me very strong chocolate flavours.
 
Thanks Warren

I love a good porter. So far I have only done an extrat porter with speciality grain with good results. However, now that I am into the AG I think I'll give your recipe a go. Looks a pearler - without being overly complex.

May I ask what mash temp/steps you used?

Cheers
 
Jimmy.

Normally I'd just do a dump and stir single step @ around 65 degrees. I used Powells as the base malt for this one so I went a bit more complicated to get the efficiency a little better. :)

It was;
40 degrees @ 20 mins
65 degrees @ 75 mins
70 degrees @ 10 mins

Warren -
 
Thanks Warren. I'll give it at try. Doing a Pale Ale this week so probably in 2 weeks or so.

Cheers
 
Jimmy.

Normally I'd just do a dump and stir single step @ around 65 degrees. I used Powells as the base malt for this one so I went a bit more complicated to get the efficiency a little better. :)

It was;
40 degrees @ 20 mins
65 degrees @ 75 mins
70 degrees @ 10 mins

Warren -

close to mine that I put on tap last night and drinking now :super: I never single step <_< habit I suppose no matter what the malt used.

It was:
52c 30 min
65c 75min
75c 15 min
 
Hopefully this is not seen as a thread hijacking post <_<

I just want to provide advance confirmation that the Robust Porter style will return to ANAWBS next year (2007). It won't be the Mash Paddle any more, but it will be a style specific class in its own right.

If it is even half as good as a normal class, compared to this year's Mash Paddle comp, it will still be one of the best classes of the show. Keep brewing those dark beauties, and keep entering them into ANAWBS.

awrabest, stu
 
I to am also a big Porter fan...especially if they have black malt in them and a bit of caraaroma...and NO roast barley
 
A repost here of my RP recipe. Just hoping for some feedback on the yeast to use. (and thoughts on the recipe too I guess, although I'm boiling it now. ;) )


38L batch
Expected OG 1064
Expected IBUs 49
Expected EBC 55

7.5kg JW Trad Ale
500g JW Dark Crystal
350g JW Chocolate malt
300g Bairds Pale Chocolate
300g JW Amber malt
300g Bairds Brown malt

10g CaCO3 in mash

40g Target (11%) @ 60
Willamette (4.9%) 60g @60, 40g@15

This one smelled great at mash in. Half will definitely be done with the Timothy Taylor yeast. The other half I was thinking of WLP009, the Coopers yeast. Has anybody used this yeast for a porter (or a stout)? I also will have 1007 to use. Any thoughts? :unsure:
 
Hey Stuster, recipe looks fantastic. :beer:

I'll go on a slightly controversial note here... I'm inclined to think that virtually any yeast should make a good porter. Within reason of course (no Weizen yeast :lol: ). Coopers yeast should be really good.

I actually made one once with Wyeast 2278 Czech Pils and fermented it like a lager. Was really nice.

Warren -
 
Thanks, warren. It makes sense that the yeast is not vitally important in the same way it is for some beers. Interesting that even the 2278 made a good porter. :eek:

I'll give the Australian and the TT yeasts a go then and report on the difference (unless I can't find this thread or I forget. :lol: )
 
looks tasty stuster

that coffee stout you had of mine last year was with coopers yeast - i made a few with the old coopers yeast last year for the first time since my extractbrewing-grottysharehouse days back in the late 90s. i think it's a good all round ale yeast as long as you keep the temp down , otherwise it's a good fruit salad ale yeast.

lemme know if you want some brett. anomalus to chuck in a portion of it.
 
looks tasty stuster

that coffee stout you had of mine last year was with coopers yeast - i made a few with the old coopers yeast last year for the first time since my extractbrewing-grottysharehouse days back in the late 90s. i think it's a good all round ale yeast as long as you keep the temp down , otherwise it's a good fruit salad ale yeast.

lemme know if you want some brett. anomalus to chuck in a portion of it.

Well, then if that yummy stout was made with the coopers yeast, that's definitely the plan for this beer too. :super:

Hmm, brett. anomalus. I see you found out that was the right brett to use for porter. Well, seeing as I have two cubes, what harm could there be in using it for half. Can I pay for it in infected beers as per usual? :eek:
 
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